Rape and Abortion: Mourdock’s Inhumane World Exists South of Our Border

If Americans want to know what the country would be like if abortion was illegal, they need to look no farther than Latin America

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Abortion rights activists protest outside a hospital in Buenos Aires, Argentina, after a judge intervened in the scheduled abortion of a woman rescued from a prostitution ring. Argentina's Supreme Court ruled Oct. 12, 2012, that the 32-years old woman must be allowed to have the abortion.

I’m proud to have been born and raised in Indiana, but I’ve got a question for my fellow Hoosiers: Do you miss Dick yet? That is, Indiana Senator Richard Lugar, the legendary statesman and moderate Republican who was defeated in the GOP primary this year by conservative Christian Tea Partyer Richard Mourdock — who during a debate this week said that if a woman becomes pregnant during a rape, “that is something that God intended to happen.” Mourdock later clarified the appalling remark, insisting he only meant that the pregnancy, not the rape, was God’s will. But as Mourdock’s benighted kindred spirit and Missouri Senate candidate Todd Akin will tell him, not even the Almighty can pull you out of a verbal ditch that deep.

(MORE: Uruguay Diverges from a Continent Where Abortion Is Worse Than Rape)

At least not in the U.S., where in a CNN/ORC poll this year a resounding 83% of Americans said that no matter where they stood generally on abortion, it should always be permitted in cases of rape or incest. But the likes of Mourdock and Akin would be right at home in the part of the world I cover: Latin America. Whenever they hear pols like Mourdock go off, in fact, Americans would do well to look south of their borders as a reminder that his cruel world isn’t just a delusion. No region has as many countries (five) that ban abortion in all cases, even rape and when the mother’s life is at risk, or sees as many instances of judges and other government officials rejecting women’s requests for legal abortions, especially in cases of rape. Those draconian policies result from a belief, driven largely by the inordinate political power of Latin America’s Catholic and Evangelical churches, that pregnancy of any kind is God’s inviolable will — and the heartbreak it causes is epic.

All too typical are nightmares like that of a 13-year-old Peruvian girl known as “L.C.,” who in 2007 became pregnantafter being raped repeatedly — but who couldn’t get an abortion because Peru, while allowing abortion if a woman’s life is at risk, bans it in cases of rape. Distraught, L.C. attempted suicide by throwing herself off a roof; she gravely injured her spine instead. Yet doctors, cowed by the law, wouldn’t perform the necessary surgery because they feared it might terminate the pregnancy. L.C. miscarried anyway and today is a quadriplegic.(Last year the U.N. ordered Peru to compensate the girl.) Or the case of a 32-year-old woman in Argentina who had been kidnapped, forced to work in a prostitution ring and raped. Despite everything she’d been through, an Argentine judge rejected her claim of rape — then helped leak her identity so anti-abortion protesters could demonstrate in front of the woman’s home shouting, “Murderer!” Argentina’s Supreme Court finally ruled this month that she can have an abortion.

(MORE: Sorry Rome: U.S. Catholics Are More Like Melinda Gates)

As a result, few regions see more women seek unsafe clandestine abortions than they do in Latin America: more than 4 million a year, according to the New York-based Guttmacher Institute. A quarter of them, not surprisingly, end up hospitalized or worse from complications. Making matters worse is the scant access Latin American women have to birth control — a big reason some countries, especially in Central America, see maternal mortality rates (100 deaths per 100,000 births in Nicaragua) 20 times higher than Western Europe’s. Nor are restrictions like the rape refusal a deterrent: Latin America still has one of the world’s highest abortion rates, more than 30 per 1,000 women of childbearing age. The U.S. rate is fewer than 20.

Fortunately, the U.S. has so far rejected Latin America’s brand of abortion extremism. Even Mississippi, a bastion of Christian conservatism, last year rejected a “personhood” amendment that declared life begins at conception — the sort of stance Mourdock and company would use to deny abortion rights to rape victims. Most U.S. Catholics reject their church’s atavistic teaching that abortion is unacceptable even in cases of rape or incest. Most U.S. Catholics, in fact, think abortion should be kept legal in most cases.

The message here, for everyone from Mourdock to the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops to the pro-life lawmakers who have recently tried to narrow the definition of rape, is that most Americans don’t just believe that barring abortion in cases of rape would be unjust policy. We also think, especially given that most of us believe in God, that it’s inhumane theology. And we’ve got Latin American stories like L.C.’s to remind us why.

MORE: Why Radical Pro-Lifers Are Wasting Their Time

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peter204
peter204

This article is incredibly disturbing.  Even more, it exemplifies the fact that politicians in this country seem to forget that church and state are separate within America.  I often hear of politicians making religious statements in speeches, but I don't understand why they feel they must do so if our government is secular.  How can it be that a supposedly secular institution still has so many religious implications? 

Feelings
Feelings

There was a time when men were kind, when their voices were soft and their words inviting.
There was a time when love was blind, and the world was a song, and the song was exciting.
There was a time...
Then it all went wrong...

I hate rape.

Okay besides that cheesy introduction, I believe that abortion depends on person to person. If, like in this case, women are driven to suicide about the baby due to the rape, then yes. Get the abortion. That's killing two instead of one.

However, I do agree that the baby shouldn't be aborted other than if it risks the lives of one or both the mother and child. It is not the child's fault that his/her mother got raped. The child is still the mother's, and mothers should have the maternal instinct to protect and love their baby, no matter what. Again, like someone else mentioned in the comments, abortion will not change the fact that the lady was raped. The lady was raped, and that's that. Can't change the past. Abortion is not a time machine, nor is it an undo button. So baby or no, you were still raped. Not only that, but when the baby grows up, the lady will realize that although she was raped, she will never regret not having her child, because (although I'm not very religious) a child is God's best blessing.

My aunt was very close to having an abortion, but because she chose not to, I have a very happy and beautiful, 15 year old cousin.

peter204
peter204

@Feelings I found this article extremely disturbing.  Although my nickname is Peter I am actually a woman and the thought of being raped and having to go through with the birth terrifies me.  However, i am very interested to hear your opinion on the topic.  I have heard accounts of people who wish they had been aborted because they lived such miserable lives as a result of their unwanted births.  In my eyes, the resulting pregnancy and birth from a rape would be a constant reminder of the heinous and traumatizing experience that led to nine months of misery.  While I agree an abortion wouldn't undo the rape, don't you think in many cases it would save a child and mother from a life of misery?  

ChristineSnakeDizard
ChristineSnakeDizard

You may want to edit your article.  Last paragraph, " most Americans don’t just believe that barring abortion in cases of rape would be unjust policy."  I think you meant that most Americans don't believe that it would be a JUST policy.


Sonja
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There is no difference between Talibans of Islam and Talibans of Chritians. Both just as inhumane.

ShamsAci
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The question is what would be social status and destiny of the children born out of  raped or unmarried women?

- A.R.Shams's Reflection - Press and Online Publications. http//:arshamssreflectio.blogspot.com

Sonja
Sonja

There is a huge difference between children of Rape VS children of unmarried women. If a woman chooses to have a child without being married that is her choice.

BrentHill
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There is nothing more dangerous or unbalanced as the religious zealot, be it christian, muslim or sihk. All will kill to enforce their idea of what is "right".

HenryMajor
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If God lets Obama win, will the Tea Partyers view it as His will?

Martian_14
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No wonder Latin America is nicknamed Latrine America by its own inhabitants...

Abortion is forbidden in Latin America, yet the numbers of illegal abortion in the continent are astronomical. If one has the money, it is relatively easy to get one...

pbernasc
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Now, lets break down  Mourdock's statement into small easy to follow logic reasoning steps: "Pregnancy from Rape or incest is Gods will."

So, if that's true, it means God is controlling the semen of the rapist, because if God is controlling her pregnancy, he must be in control of the rapist's sperm. Right? God can do that, he is omnipotent. Makes sense? So, here is the situation ... there is a violent man, with his penis erected, aroused as they say, inside the vagina of a woman.  His violent sexual aggression is raping her flesh apart causing physical and psychological pain and damage.He ends his did by ejaculating inside her, obviously against her will. What does God do about this? 

According to Mourdock, God intervenes and guides the ejaculate of the criminal violent man to make sure she gets pregnant.

Here is what I think: GOD is a freaking scumbag and clearly a witness to sexual offense and therefore accessory to rape under the law because he was there when she was being raped and did nothing, actually took care to guide the rapist's sperm to a successful pregnancy, se he is indeed an accomplice of the rapist man.

CONCLUSIONIf God ever shows up in California, the DA should arrest him and persecute him as a serial rapist and sexual offender, So, watch God in your residential area, he might be on the list of local sex offenders.

Sonja
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Amen to that, the God of a barbaric is just as barbaric.

missysmile
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@pbernasc 

Have you ever stopped to ask the question...How many rapists get found out BECAUSE the woman got pregnant? Many rapes would go untold had it not been for the resulting pregnancy. I was born after my mother was raped. The doctors messed up and couldnt abort me. Thank God, yes I said it THANK GOD they messed up and both me and my mother are glad I'm here. You see God really does work in mysterious ways and because I was born The evil git got found out. So not all pregnancies are a bad thing. I was able to help my mom heal. Not all bad starts have bad endings.

pbernasc
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what motivates a grown up person to say/think such a non nonsensical and deeply mean statement toward women?

I mean, when I was growing up I loved all females .. such an interesting kind of creature, isn't it? Really .. I was getting so much energy from my GFs .. it's such a beautiful thing to be free and without fears, once you educate yourself about how to have a good relationship and good sex with your GF when u r a teenager ... man you grow up to be a real man.

What kind of jerk nerd dork must Murdoch have been when he was a teenager, to grow up to be a man who says  that pregnancy from rape or incest is Gods will? How can he be so mentally twisted to think a woman would like to carry inside her the baby of her rapist or worst the baby from her father??????   

Did he ever had a good love experience both physically and emotionally when he was a teenager? I don't think so  .. if you are a mind free of fear and have learned to be a man for your woman, you will never say such a thing, never.

So, more than the outrage of what he said, his statement tells me he is a deeply troubled individual who has yet to become a man

Peace_2_All
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@pbernasc 

There are a lot of people in this country... heck, all over the world that are totally and completely indoctrinated in these fundamentalism/biblical literalistic type worldviews.  In this case, Mourdock is a *crazy Christian*.

They believe that there is a God, and... they know His will. 

A good portion of these people, arguably are on the lunatic fringe.  However, it seems that we are encountering more and more 'Christians' that are taking these extreme stances on social issues.

Peace...

pbernasc
pbernasc

When I was 12, I remember I made the decision that I would stop reading any religious book.

I understood this wasn't meant to help me, it was meant to control me. 

Where I come from in school religion is a mandatory class if your parents make  you go to (officially there is a state financed class for all major religions, as long as enough students are enrolled in a specific class, this is for middle and high school). However, the law also says that religious and sexual freedom are achieved both for boys and girls at age 16, meaning that the parents have no longer legal control on what you do with your sex nor what religion you want or not to believe in as soon as their children are 16 or older. 

I had to go to the class, cause my parents told me to and if I didn't, I'd be in school troubles .. meaning I'd be risking to get kicked out. 

On day one of my 16th year I communicated to my parents, no more mass participation, no more religion class. I was free!

I was free of God and its BS. Oh, I really enjoyed the sex freedom too. man oh man ... why do we have to grow older., me and my girlfriend had one hour of free time once a week at school, since most of the kids went to the religion class. He he ... my religion after 16 was very sexual ;-)

I have been free since that day. They should make it so all over the world, at 16, you get to dump God and get laid instead,

formerlyjames
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We need to bring to full term all of the frozen embryos in stock, which fundamentalists refuse to allow for stem cell research.  I suggest we open clinics in the fundamentalist churches for implantation.

Atropos22
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I want to know if these same candidates in the US are ever going to be asked if their platform also includes harsher penalties for those who commit rape and incest, if they will immediately introduce laws severing the attackers parental rights to the child (31 states allow rapists those rights), and if now-pregnant mother will be given ANY government assistance for health services (including access to a psychologist since so many victims of rape and incest are suicidal), assistance funding (food, diapers, housing, etc), or education assistance for that kid at some point since this same government is forcing her to have this baby.  My guess is their answer will be a resounding no.

AlgeriaTouchshriek
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People are also missing the important fact that Mourdock chose an argument by theology to justify his stance.  Sorry, sir, but this is America -- not everybody has the same belief system as you do.  I am reminded that perhaps the greatest hubris of mankind has been to fashion God in his own image.

victoria
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If everything that happens is the will of God, then that includes abortions. Perhaps God's will is something we mustn't boast to understand. Christian fanatics actually believe that THEY control God's will.

TrsSmith
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@victoria I don't know about controlling dogs will, but they sure believethey know it well enough that they feel the MUST force it down our throats

Welcome to today's christians (aka taliban)

LordDragon
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Raped and forced to deliver. That's treating women like pigs. You might's as well slaughter her too and get it over with bu that would be too humane. 

Peace_2_All
Peace_2_All

@LordDragon 

Yes, -LordDragon... it's absolutely insane, isn't it ?

I've coined a term for this behavior by the fundies.  **PRO-FORCED GESTATION**

Peace...

vanstonera2
vanstonera2

"Then the LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground. Hebreathed the breath of life into the man's nostrils, and the man became aliving person."  -Genesis 2:7

Just as a fetus is no more human than the dust on the ground in the eyes of God, until of course, he/she receives the breath of life and is granted an ever lasting soul.

TrsSmith
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@vanstonera2 Ya just gotta love that there bible:

Deuteronomy 22:28-29 (If you're lonely and no one wants to marry you and in need of a companion just rape any hot virgin you find and get a wife..)"If a man finds a girl who is a virgin, who is not engaged, and seizes her and lies with her and they are discovered, then the man who lay with her shall give to the girl's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall become his wife because he has violated her; he cannot divorce her all his days."

Deuteronomy 22:22 "If a man is found sleeping with another man's wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die."

I wonder what fifty shekels of silver is adjusted for inflation for about 2000 years!

And if that ain't enough for ya, here is some more bible fun:

On her radio show, Dr. Laura Schlesinger said that, as an observant Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination according to Leviticus 18:22, and cannot be condoned under any circumstance.The following response is an open letter to Dr. Laura, written by a U.S. man, and posted on the Internet. It's funny, as well as informative:Dear Dr. Laura:Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination ... End of debate.I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Laws and how to follow them.1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are from neighbouring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15: 19-24.The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odour for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbours. They claim the odour is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?5. I have a neighbour who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination, Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of abomination?7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here?8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24:10-16.Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I'm confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.Your adoring fan,James M. Kauffman, Ed.D. Professor Emeritus,Dept. Of Curriculum, Instruction, and Special EducationUniversity of VirginiaP.S. It would be a damn shame if we couldn't own a Canadian.

Sonja
Sonja

And Oh, He still loves us all, The God Almighty ! Isn't he Amazing?

formerlyjames
formerlyjames

@TrsSmith @vanstonera2 

That is hilarious.  I want my own Mexican slave.  It would be a kind  of immigration reform that the right wing might accept.

vanstonera2
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@TrsSmith @vanstonera2 :  AHAHA  For full disclosure, I am not religious at all.  I prefer to slink down to their level and use the brain washer's guide to subservience against them.

bh4099
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@cameroncrazies And yet with legal abortion we have a lower rate of abortion than some countries which ban it entirely. It appears that by legalizing abortion we are creating an environment where it is less likely to happen. But I've come to see that reducing the number of abortions is not the true goal of most anti-abortionists. (Note they frequently oppose birth control and sex education).  Their goal is simply to make abortion illegal--no more, no less. But what does it matter to the fetus if it is aborted legally or illegally?

AmberMiller
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I found this article to be deceptive. First i strongly oppose abortion as it is murder. Abortion is a part of the war on family, the war on children, ultimately a culture of death, a murderous war on life itself that sees human life as rubbish with no value. It violates the right of every person to be born and to live. However I would accept  a ban on abortion except in cases of rape, or where the mothers life is in jeopardy or the baby would not live. To suggest that people who are opposed to killing babies, inside or outside the womb, like rape, is outrageous of a slander. I am strongly opposed to rape and I think we should prosecute those who do it. The baby is innocent, and it would be injust to punish and kill the baby for something that was not the babies fault. How could anyone say the baby is terrible? babies are wonderful and precious and we should respect. You would be surprised how many musicians, and scientists and so on may have been concieved by rape. yes, rape is a tragedy but to say the human being that might result is terrible is just such an insulting, immoral view of human life. In the case of rape, the baby that might result is something wonderful that came out of something terrible. Try telling someone who is a musician or a scientist that have been concieved in rape that they should not have been born but should have been murdered and thrown away. But this is the murderous ideology that devalues Human life that views babies as disposable rubbish that can be thrown away when not needed. This promotes immoral and selfish ideologies that threaten to destroy our society and our respect for all human life and as well for family values which are critical for social health. We need to have a society where everyone takes on the responsibility of having a family and providing a healthy, safe home for children, a house filled with childrens laughter. We must defeat the abortionists murderous killing of our babies, which have killed millions of babies, whose laughter, smiles and potential gifts will never be known in this world. We must see children as precious, invaluable gifts from god, and which belong to god, parents are the caretaker and protector of the child, which is  only belongs to god. This family values system will also help assure that children grow up in a healthy household, family values is particularly about the values we teach parents to both have children, respect all life from the moment of conception, and love their children, providing a safe household forn them, so the children are encouraged to develop to use their god given gifts to make the world a better place in a loving, supporting family. The fact is, the scientific fact is that human life begins at conception, this is when the person is formed, their DNA and genetic blueprint and they begin to develop as a seperate organism according to their own DNA and genetic blueprint and their own accord. The fact that the baby is defenceless and cannot protect itself and dependant does not mean that it does not deserve protection but that it needs more protection from harm. A baby either inside or outside the womb is defenceless, is totally dependant and very fragile and needs protection and love. The Baby is a human being inside and outside the womb, the baby does not magically materialize out of nothing when passing through the birth canal. In fact, a person is always developing and physical growth is constant from conception to when the person is 20 and intellectual growth continues long after. Conception is where life begins because that it is where a persons body, identity, genetics, DNA all originate and the person begins lifelong development as a human being. Every person  is a unique one of a kind gift from god with special gifts that they can utilize to make the world a better place, with potential given to them by god. That persons identity has his beginning at conception when the genetic blueprint of that person comes into being and they become a rapidly self developing human being. The scientist, artist, musician andf so on all have their origins and their life path began at that moment of conception. We need to promote family values and a culture where everyone loves children and where raising children is the primary goal of everyones life, a house full of children, should be our highest priority so we encourage a society that encourages an values everyone to provide an environment were children grows up where they are loved and encouraged to use their god give, unique gifts which they are given by god at the moment of conception when that person came into being and they originated as a human being with full rights to life at that moment. Teaching such selfless values of family values and respect for life reduces violence and crime in our society, judeo-christian religion is an essential aspect of this by providing the moral and ethical guide that people need to raise healthy children in a loving environment. This begins with banning abortion and the entire abortion mentality of selfishness that sees children as disposable rubbish. If a childs parents are not fit to raise the child the child can be adopted. Abortion in any case however is unacceptable and it is murder.

valente347
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@AmberMiller Your anti-abortion stance is based on religious beliefs. In this country, that is not a legitimate reason for passing laws. I have not heard any good and consistent arguments against all abortions that do not rely partially on religion.

There are, however, many secular arguments for a woman's choice to have an abortion. Fetal life, underdeveloped, primitive, and dependent on the body of another, is not equal to that of an independent person Therefore, a woman having an abortion is not committing murder. Its life cannot override a woman's right to control her own life, health, body, and mind.

Sonja
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The US violent crime rates were at its highest in 1990 and everyone was saying it will continue to go up and all you religious, pro-life people had blast sending them to death rows. Thanks to Roe VS Wade in 1971, exactly 19 years later, the crime rates started getting down and is steadily going down since. All those unwanted/rape pregnancies were terminated. But now I am sure you all hate not being able to kill as many as you would love to so you want to make abortion illegal again. I don't understand why you are so big about killing people and still call yourself pro-life?Oh I forgot the Bible tells you to kill. I am not sure which book recommends more killing; Bible or Koran? 

ToeHead
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@AmberMiller So you seem to understand the concept of genetics....it may also shock you to know that traits such as violence, sociopathy, etc. can be passed on this way. So no, if I were raped I wouldn't want the rapist's baby. It might be inheriting some stuff from the rapist. Ever think of that?  If only you could magically take all of those aborted fetuses into your own womb....the world would clearly be a better, purer place.

Peace_2_All
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@AmberMiller 

So... in essence, what you are is a **PRO-FORCED GESTATIONER**  in almost all cases, it appears.

Peace...

jswenson2339
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@AmberMiller How many lives has an unwanted pregnancy ruined for the mother and the child. How many mothers have turned to prostitution just to survive? How can you justify forcing the Mother to 9 months of knowing the baby of a criminal is inside them?  Nobody believes that taking a life for no reason is a good thing.  But lives must be taken,  we all do that to survive unless you are also a vegetarian. Every life is a gift, even the lives of the animals that God created,  animals we as humans eat so our families , children, and babies can survive.

EricScher
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When you begin an article with a premise that arises from something somepublic figure said, you should take care not to intentionally misquote thespeaker or distort the quote. It destroys your credibility right off thebat.

Regardless of anyone's stance on anything, you don't serve your cause bylying.

For the record, here is the full quote:

"I struggled with it myself for a long time, but I came to realize lifeis thatgift from God. And I think even when life begins in that horriblesituation ofrape, that it is something that God intended to happen."

Yes, Mourdock is saying that a pregnancy is God'swill.     Maybe you agree, maybe you don't.

Yes, Mourdock is implying that a child conceived during rape is not at faultfor that crime and the child's life has no less value than one conceived duringan act of love.     Maybe you agree, maybe you don't.

Regardless of how you feel about the issue, you should at least begin from anhonest POSITION; or you cannot consider yourself an honest PERSON.

pbernasc
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@EricScher 

"I struggled with it myself for a long time, but I came to realize lifeis thatgift from God. And I think even when life begins in that horriblesituation ofrape, that it is something that God intended to happen."THEN GOD IS A FREAKING SEX OFFENDER AND BELONGS IN JAIL

Sonja
Sonja

@pbernasc @EricScher  

You just do not understand God. He only intended the Pregnancy because he loves all life. He also intended the rape so his disciples can now arrest him and kill him, otherwise who would you put to death? see he loves (almost) all?

Peace_2_All
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@EricScher 

Hi Eric... I don't see really any difference in the total and complete *stupidity and absurdity* of Mourdocks statement.  Quoting the exact words doesn't make what this guy said any less moronic.

Peace...

TrsSmith
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Welcome to today's Catholic church - a TOTAL embarrassment!

jswenson2339
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@TrsSmith which dozen of same sex child rapes could you possibly be referring to.

bh4099
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In this democratic republic we simply can't use philosophy or religious interpretations to write our laws. There are just too many interpretations, for instance the Bible refers several times to "the quick and the dead" being subject to judgement. The quick being the fetus which has quickened in the womb. By this verse one can assume that the non-quick (approx 4 mo gestation) are not considered fully human by God. We must use our own brains and experience to decide issues, and not ancient texts meant for spiritual reflection, not governing.

cameroncrazies
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Please, this is malarkey, as Joe Biden might say.  Mr. Padgett tries to come up with the most extreme examples from another country to justify his pro-abortion positon.  Ok, let me tell you about the doctors that crush the skull of 8.5 month old babies (oh yeah, fetuses) as they come out of the birth canal LEGALLY in places like Illinois. 

Hey, that's not fair.  Partial birth abortion is a red herring, you say.  The bigger issue is that a culture that won't stand for innocent life is one that is in the stages of a great decline.  My belief in a Higher Power who loves it's Creation makes me fearful that this GENOCIDE of the most innocent among us is a CANCER on our national soul. 

I don't want to legislate these tough choices, but I want to stop demonizing heartfelt pro-lifers by an entrenched vehemently pro-abortion establishment, which quietly believes like Margaret Sanger (the racist founder of Planned Parenthood) that we would be better off without these unloved and unlovely children of less desirables.  In the eyes of God (there I said it) they are every bit as worthy of life as the Kennedys, Schrivers, Bidens, Obamas, Rockefellers and all the high brow families that claim to be concerned to "protect" their right to destroy their own kin.

valente347
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@cameroncrazies You should give an argument against abortion that doesn't rely on religion since that is not an acceptable reason for writing laws in this country.

ToeHead
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@cameroncrazies You're right. This "cancer" will be cured when women can be restricted from abortion and again die from complications from getting an unsafe abortion.  That is how we shall cleanse this nation!! If they die, it's collateral damage.  They are women and they only have the one purpose, right? When they are fetuses they are sacred and to be wanted unconditionally. When they grow into an adult woman who wants an abortion, well, their life no longer matters. Only that of the fetus and if it is again a girl, she too will have her turn of not getting to matter.  Perhaps this child will instead be born against the mother's will and then need food stamps and welfare to survive. Of course this will be minimal, as they live in a Red state which is the cheapest of cheap.  Maybe one day the child will be given over to the foster care system and continue to receive constant abuse. Or maybe if abortion was made illegal, Red states would give more funding to the poor? Well, no, because they hate lazy freeloaders and have no soul. 

Peace_2_All
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@cameroncrazies 

Ah... another religious zealot that appears to be a **PRO-FORCED GESTATIONER** what a shocker ! 

Peace...

TrsSmith
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@cameroncrazies Please also tell us how much money you are giving to the families of these unwanted births in order to provide (until adulthood) a reasonable life.

Your comment is a great example of how dangerous the religious Kool-aid is, and there is no antidote, except education - which I guess you are missing.

AlgeriaTouchshriek
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@cameroncrazies Wonderful.  Another right-winger who thinks he has the right to tell women or girls who have been raped that they should be forced to carry their pregnancies to term.  You know what?  Their actions may or may not be justified, but it's not for you to decide.

jswenson2339
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@cameroncrazies Since you feel so strongly,  please let us all know how many of these unplanned children do you have in your home right now?   How many rape victim mothers are in your home right now.  How strong are your convictions?  I bet you are all talk and no action.   say what you do and do what you say.