Trayvon Martin: One Year Later, Justice Remains Elusive

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A memorial in honor of Trayvon Martin is seen outside the Retreat at Twin Lakes gated community, where Martin was fatally shot on Feb. 26, 2012, by George Zimmerman while he was on neighborhood watch patrol in Sanford, Fla.

A year later, and we’re still waiting for justice. Trayvon is dead. He would’ve turned 18 on Feb. 5, but instead, his heart hasn’t beat in a year. George Zimmerman, the man who shot Trayvon, will be on trial this summer. A trial is what protesters and activists were demanding, instead of another black death swept under the rug as if our lives were worth less. But a trial in this particular case is not entirely justice, because there are deeper societal problems at play that mean another black kid could become the next Trayvon any day.

I’m not pre-emptively convicting or judging Zimmerman, who is claiming self-defense in the face of a second-degree-murder charge. I’m just dealing with the known facts. Trayvon is dead after an interaction initiated by an armed man, a man who acted as a neighborhood vigilante and who, as we heard on a 911 call, saw Trayvon as a threat who was probably armed and on drugs. Early in that recording, he says, “This guy looks like he’s up to no good or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining, and he’s just walking around looking about.” A little later, he adds, “Yeah, now he’s coming toward me. He’s got his hands in his waistband. And he’s a black male.” That perception of Trayvon as armed, drugged and criminal hits the stereotype trifecta for a young black man. If Zimmerman had not been hopped up on stereotypes and vigilantism then maybe he would’ve waited for the police. Or not followed Trayvon.

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Since the killing, there has been a concerted effort by Zimmerman’s supporters to define him as Hispanic — as if this would change the case by removing the potential of racial profiling. This is a clever way of combining the “people of color can’t be racist” meme (an idea most whites usually reject) and the “one-drop rule”: a holdover from slavery that said having one drop of black blood meant you were a slave so that new slaves could be created even if they had a white parent. This rule has not historically been applied to other races, and extending it to Zimmerman because his mother is Peruvian and his father German-American seems a strange stretch. Besides, race is a social construct, not a biological reality, so to evaluate whether he was racially profiling, we’d have to know what race Zimmerman considers himself. But even that question is moot once you realize that biases against people of color quite often reside inside people of color. Even if Zimmerman sees himself as Hispanic, that doesn’t mean he couldn’t view a strange black body in the distance through a racist lens.

If Zimmerman assumed criminal intent where there was none, assumed the presence of drugs and guns where there were none, assumed he was seeing a thug when we now know Trayvon was not, then he would have been applying racist assumptions to a kind of black Rorschach in the distance. He may be Hispanic; he may have had blacks in his family, as has been asserted; and he may have mentored black kids, as some have said. He may even have had black friends. But he may still have seen Trayvon in the distance and made a trio of racist assumptions about him. The test is not how he behaves toward every black person he encounters or whether he is racist all the time. The test is how he behaved toward Trayvon and whether he viewed this black stranger as an armed, drugged criminal, as the 911 tape suggests, and treated him as such even though he was not.

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After he died, Trayvon became a political football. On one side, liberals were outraged by the delays in arresting Zimmerman for the killing, while conservatives seemed to almost reflexively defend Zimmerman. They either attempted to paint him as Hispanic — as a way to somehow remove the stain of racism — or attempted to racialize Trayvon in a way that somehow proved he was a thug, to somehow back up Zimmerman’s perspective. In this effort, Trayvon’s school records were drudged up, exposing him not as a thug so much as an imperfect teenager, a charge most of us have been guilty of.

What also surfaced were a slew of fake photos that were seized upon as images of the real Trayvon but were anything but. One of them, sent to the Washington Post writer Jonathan Capehart, was actually of the famous Compton rapper the Game. That many believed it was Trayvon, thus confirming their worst suspicions, is yet another example of the way some think blacks are all criminals or we all look alike. It’s also indicative of the way the modern right often dispenses with facts in the course of making a point, whether it be birtherism, climate-change denial or the trutherism that inflamed skeptics of the 2012 election polling that showed President Obama in the lead. We are in a political world marked by intellectual gerrymandering, where we pay attention to different sources of news and base our opinions on facts we choose to buy into, even though some are not facts at all.

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Justice in this situation is not merely a fair trial. Justice is a world that minimizes the sort of interaction that is made deadly by an insidious combination of stereotypes and guns. Even though the Trayvon Martin situation is a clear example of why the vigilante mind-set that the NRA carefully fosters is so dangerous, there has been no significant discussion about the problems brought about by that way of thinking and the ease with which civilians make mistakes with guns. There was no sustained conversation about the various Stand Your Ground laws, now enacted or proposed in 29 states, which encourage vigilantism and lead people to shoot first and ask questions later. This, in a society where violent crime is dropping. The gun-rights community would have us believe that 2.5 million crimes a year are prevented by citizens with guns, but this number is routinely unpacked as far from true. The FBI says the number of justified homicides (incidences of killing criminals during a crime) is about 250 a year.

We are simply not a nation of people policing ourselves with our 300 million guns. We are endangering ourselves and our children and suffering preventable tragedies like Trayvon’s death. We will be waiting for justice until people stop assuming criminality in young black men and America’s vigilante gun culture is under control.

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58 comments
MaddieBalue
MaddieBalue

This article is nothing but BS. There is no way I would ever believe Z would of just attack this young man. The Facts are that Trayvon Martin would be alive Today if he didn't attack a man with a gun.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            

MagmaSalad
MagmaSalad

I would advise that any reader of this article lend it no credence. The author falsely asserts his opinions as absolutes truths. It's a despicable act of defamation of character, and he could be tried in a court of law and found guilty for what he wrote.

lotus921v
lotus921v

" assumed he was seeing a thug when we now know Trayvon was not"... I'm not sure what your definition of a thug is, but anybody who welcomes getting into physical fights, both smokes and distributes marijuana, gets repeatedly suspended from school, and is looking to illegally obtain guns (which i'm sure are NOT for an innocent reason) seems like a deadringer for a thug to me.

Now George Zimmerman was frustrated after repeated breakins in his community, committed by black males.  If that made him alert to someone walking suspiciously around his development, can you blame him?

This has boiled down again to a race war, black americans against the other races.  Rather than acknowledging that individuals such as Trayvon are a problem among black culture, they refuse to think of this as anything more than a tragedy.  Somebody carrying a gun does NOT need to wait until an individual is punching them before pulling it.  It's used to keep someone from coming closer.  I fully expect that the little hoodrat jumped him.  I have followed an individual that was driving erratically until police were able to intercept them, they were driving into oncoming traffic for blocks and could've killed somebody!  this isn't that much different.  I expect the truth will come out.  My concern is that this has turned into such a race war, that he will not get a fair trial.  I fully expect there to be riots if he is acquitted, which is disgusting and says a lot about particular subsections of the american population.


MJJ
MJJ

The more in look into this the more sympathy I feel for both sides.  The whole thing just seems like a series of unfortunate events.  Neither Zimmerman nor Martin are anywhere near as good or bad as people seem to want them to be.  Martin got suspended from school for being tardy, tagging (WTF, btw, not a gang sign or anything) and having a weed pipe and an empty bag.  The pot in his system at time of death was such a low level medical examiner was pretty sure he wasn't high on the night.  He was 5'11", ~160, so not tiny, but only 2-3 inches taller than Zimmerman.  And he was walking home from 7-11.  He genuinely had a reason to be there and wasn't doing anything shady when Z started following him.  

Z. had his reasons for being suspicious.  Young black men had been breaking into residences.  People felt unsafe.  He had spotted perpetrators before and then "lost" them.  He was head of the neighborhood watch.  He got the gun to defend himself from a pit bull, not necessarily from people.   But he had been in trouble with the law, as opposed to just being suspended from school.  And he has ADD, which affects impulse control.

From there facts get hazy.  Did Z get out of his car to follow Martin on foot?  We know he never identified himself as neighborhood watch because he admits that, but we don't know if Martin attacked him before he had the chance to say much of anything or what they may have said to each other.  Someone called for help, but who?  Was Martin really reaching for the gun or did Z just think he was? 

The bottom line is that Martin shouldn't be dead.  If Z. hadn't spotted him walking that night he wouldn't be. 

BrianWoods
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People like Toure will only be satisfied till they get the verdict they want whether or not it is the correct one! Why does ANYONE give such a person a platform to speak on? I am not saying the man is tupid, but he is ignorant in some of his beliefs and loves to make assumptions without any facts at times. He is NOT a journalist because journalist he is subjective in his work which is clearly UNETHICAL and UNPROFESSIONAL! It is misleading. Maybe he knows how stupid and misinformed his followers are.

JohnDavidDeatherage
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Justice for George Zimmerman. Let the jury determine the facts and render a verdict. 

Elvisfofana
Elvisfofana

Apart from the contents of the case : I find that a lot of people tend to confuse the justice department with the meaning of the word Justice. The Justice department should only be named : law or legal department. The law will not always bring justice, because the meaning of the word justice is something that varies from person to person. One person needs "an eye for an eye" in order to feel that Justice has been done. Do not expect justice from a law court : the only thing to be found there is the interpretation of the law.

free2think
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Self defense, plain as day. If the one bullet fired (consistent with the intent to stop an attack) had hit a vital organ, he would be wounded and charged with felony aggravated assault.

 Fulton, Martin and Ben Crump have publicly stated their goal is to get past the immunity hearing  to secure the right to sue in civil courts for $$$. Trayvon is not the poster child of gun violence, TM represented. Drugs, fighting, hoes and suckerpunching bus drivers. Anyone with search skills had access to TM social media before the family realized they forgot to control access and remove content. TM was an angry undisciplined lost child, his parents failed and now they want to collect for damages.


jonwil
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I think the problem with justice in this is it is so charged both ways no one cares seems to care about the facts or being objective.  I do think that from what we know there is not a jury that could honestly with out a reasonable doubt find guilty of murder 2 this case may not even make it to trial, right or wrong.  

Big picture and I honestly think this could have been handled differently to a better outcome, Zimmerman was an overzealous dogooder that go caught up in a situation in a community that had many incidents and he reported what he saw, was asked for more information, got out of his car and when the dispatcher realized this told him we dont need you to do this he says ok, and then what happened next led to the death of a young man and a ruined life of a young adult.  

Its terrible and probably avoidable but I dont think it was murder two I dont think it was driven by race hatred, the fact is we will never know. In the sense of justice in the legal sense from all that we know, it will probably be a not guilty verdict and a lot of angry people

mrbomb13
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MEMO TO TIME MAGAZINE:  Toure is misleading readers (again) with racially-charged commentary that not supported by evidence:

1) "A trial is what the protesters and activists were demanding instead of another black death swept under the rug as if our lives were worth less."

Oh really?  Toure, do you have a scintilla of evidence to back up the claim that "another black death [would be] swept under the rug as if our lives were worth less?"

2) "That [Zimmerman's] perception [of] Trayvon as armed, drugged and criminal hits the stereotype trifecta for a young black man."

Again, Toure, do you have any evidence to back up your claim that Zimmerman was resorting to stereotypes?  How do you know that he wasn't acting in self-defense?  You're proclaiming him guilty before the matter's even gone to trial.

3) Your citing of an ancient slavery law ("one-drop rule") is fully irrelevant to the conversation, and (again) misleading to readers.

BrianWoods
BrianWoods

@mrbomb13 Well stated! I hate people like Toure whether they are black, white, latino or whatever. Racist garbage. He never says anything when a black person commits an act of violence against someone who is non-black. He loves to make assumptions about others, but if anyone makes an assumption about black people he throws a fit!

IndyinTX31
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@mrbomb13 Okay, fine. What reason other than race do you follow a young man WALKING? We have Z on tape presuming that the child was on drugs. The only FACT was that Trayvon was walking, the rest was Z editorializing about who the child was. Yes, the child. Unless 17 year old high schoolers are now adults?

NickShaw
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@IndyinTX31 @mrbomb13  

So now it's only because of race that someone should be followed in your world?

And forget the "child" excuse! He was one year short of being able to join the Army!

Further, a "child" recently killed by an armed citizen in St. Louis (completely justified, I might add) had his first run in with the law when he was eleven He was playing the "knock out" game and seriously injured a young man. He got off because of his age.

And to be completely oblivious to the crime rate among young blacks versus their numbers in the general population is to be willfully blind.

You have not a clue as to the gait or walking ability of Martin and it was revealed that he did have drugs in his system. Zimmerman did not offer up that Martin was black until asked of him. 

I still maintain, if the guy had have been white, Zimmerman would probably still be suspicious of him.

Race baiters can't accept this, of course.

BrianWoods
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@IndyinTX31 There are many 17 years who could look like they could easliy get into a bar. I have seen 8th graders with more facial hair and muscle tone than people much older than them. There are people who are in their 20s and 30s who get carded bc people think they could be a teenager or under 21. So again, be quiet with Martin's age. You are probably convinceed he is the 12 year old image they love to portray Martin as when that was NOT the reality at the time. Zim followed bc there was a lot of break ins in their neighborhhod which black males were committing. Even an older black woman who lived in Zim's neigborhood went on camera saying there were a lot of breakins in their area and black males were doing it. I am sorry, but if you look a certain way whether you are wearing a suit or sagging your pants, people will make assumptions about you whether you like it or not! Dress like a thug, get treated like a thug! Be quite with your PC garabage bc it is flawed!

IndyinTX31
IndyinTX31

@NickShaw @IndyinTX31 @mrbomb13 yup a child. When Caylee Anthony was murdered I had the same outrage. Wrong is wrong. Again you people ignore all of Z's sins and create a monster in Trayvon. Lets deal in reality. Z: police abuser, alcoholic, woman batterer, pedophile, rent a cop failure, adderall, community college for 6+ years. Not a good poster child for the 2nd ad.

I support self defense, not hunting down unarmed high school kids.

jonwil
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@IndyinTX31 @mrbomb13  I think the fact that it was an unknown person in his community that had a lot of property crime occurrences.  I think a lot is lost to the fact people say he was walking "home". and be honest a 6 foot 17 y/o would be confused as a young adult.  One of the things bothering me the most about this is calling T.Martin a child.  I would bet if asked like myself at 17 would call himself a man.  The looks like he is on drugs is B.S. unless zimmerman just hung out with lots of druggies how do you know what that looks like.

williamlpope
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Interesting you acknowledge 250 justifiable gun homicides per year per the FBI.  I suppose you would ban legal gun ownership and therefore the gun owners that protected themselves might be killed instead?  


iansarmy1
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one-drop rule? You constantly refer to Obama as fully black when he is half white, so you seem to follow that rule yourself. 

IndyinTX31
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@iansarmy1 Obama isnt black to me, I wish other Black Americans would get rid of the one drop rule.

NickShaw
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"...assumed he was seeing a thug when we now know Trayvon was not..."?

Really? And how did you come to the conclusion that he was not?

Just as there is only sketchy evidence that he was (though attacking a person for no real reason seems to be good evidence to go by), there is nothing to say he wasn't.

I have no doubt Zimmerman would have viewed a white guy acting in the same manner as Martin as something to be suspicious of.

Zimmerman was doing what he thought was his civic duty and it is people like you, Tourbus, who have injected race into it.

It's like there are not enough whites attacking blacks for your liking (statistically, blacks attack whites much more frequently and blacks attacking other blacks is off the charts!) so, you have to beat this case into a form barely recognizable to make a point!

Take your race hustling somewhere else.



soundpam
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@NickShaw So how do you square your insane conclusions with the fact that Zimmerman is IN FACT the thug you baselessly try to accuse Trayvon of being? Zimmerman has a well-documented history of violence & run-ins with police (which his daddy, the judge, got him out of), has been diagnosed with emotional/mental problems for which he takes drugs & is so unstable, he's unable to hold a job. He's also been caught red-handed in lies - some even in a court of law. You have zero proof Trayvon was a thug but choose to believe he was. You have overwhelming proof that Zimmerman truly is a thug but refuse to consider him as what the FACTS say he is - a violent, emotionally unstable, lying murderer. This says a LOT about you - and none of it good.

NickShaw
NickShaw

@soundpam @NickShaw  

I have yet to see any reportage of the accusations you are making of Zimmerman. Provide the links and I would happily take them into consideration.

I did not "baselessly" accuse Martin at all. In fact, I said there is only sketchy evidence that he was. You do know what sketchy means, right?

I did note that he appears to have attacked Zimmerman for no real reason. Zimmerman's injuries and the lack of them, except on his knuckles, on Martin appear to indicate something like this.

No matter who started the fight, I dare you to say you wouldn't have pulled your gun if your head was being pounded on the concrete by a guy sitting on your chest.

My theory is that Martin was spotted casing houses. Zimmerman, perhaps foolishly, followed him and Martin jumped him. Martin payed the price for doing so.

It has nothing to do with race

No matter what the race baiter has to say. 

NickShaw
NickShaw

@IndyinTX31  

What the heck is "reverse racism" by the way? There is only racism. It can be practiced by people of all colors.

I would also like to ask a couple of questions. Why is it only eligible for "hate crime" status when a white person attacks a black one? Or, now that I think of it, when a white attacks anyone who is not white or Jewish?

Why are blacks not charged with a hate crime when it is obvious, in many cases, that they attack whites solely based on color? The young man stripped and beaten by a black crowd in broad daylight in Philly recently, for example. Odd that no one was charged in that attack yet it was posted on Youtube with the perps faces clearly shown.

Or the many instances of young blacks playing the knockout game and admitting it was to "get whitey"? Or Asians?

Where are Tourbus's thoughts on these crimes? Other than saying they are "justified because of centuries of racism shown against blacks"!

I'd hazard to guess that the black man gets a better shake in America than any other country of the world, including those of Africa. 

And yet, we have Tourbus, Sharpton and whole raft of others milking the victimhood. For the money, of course.

BrianWoods
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@IndyinTX31 Be real, man! If you dress like a thug, expect to watched and treated like a thug! Do not tellme you have never made an assumption about anyone with how they looked whether they are wearing a business suit or have their pants sagging! You are lying if you say you haven't!

NickShaw
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@soundpam @NickShaw  

It always amuses me how liberals, and you are a liberal aren't you, really have trouble with people that don't fall in line and agree with them, resorting to name calling and caps as though it makes their argument for them.

At no point did I "defend" Zimmerman. I suggested a theory of what went down because it is the simplest explanation of what happened based on Zimmerman's injuries and Martin's lack of same. I just don't believe race had anything to do with it.

In fact, statistically speaking, it is more likely Zimmerman was not the aggressor despite your histrionics.

The fact that the LSM has resorted to some odious reportage and that any number of black "leaders" and liberals have jumped to Martin's defense without knowing anything, tells me that there is something going on that goes beyond a simple altercation ending with someone dead.

I, at least, admit I know nothing and have a theory only that may or may not be proved in court. Martin could have been white and I would still hold the same theory.

My beef is with Tourbus who is keeping the race story going instead of waiting for the courts to decide. Maybe because he has nothing to do or whatever but, what exactly is his point? Keeping the fires hot?

What would happen, do you think, if white pundits (and I hesitate to elevate a race baiter like Tourbus to the level of pundit) started daily tirades against black killers of white people (and there are many more of them compared to whites killing blacks according to FBI statistics)

You'd call them racists, right? Even though they would have a more factual leg to stand on.

Well, I say Tourbus is a racist. A racist who is doing his level best to cast all whites as racist and using this Zimmerman thing as his crutch, maybe to keep alive whatever significance he thinks he has because the statistics don't back him up.

soundpam
soundpam

@NickShaw @soundpam Wow Nick - What surprises me is that you've never seen any reporting about Zimmerman - It surprises me because most of it IS IN THE COURT RECORDS  and since you act like such an expert, I would expect that you would know BASIC FACTS that are in are part of the PUBLIC RECORD and have been reported on MANY occasions. I won't do your work for you but here are a couple of examples of what a moron you are - 1) Zimmerman asked for his medication when he was jailed - for HIS EMOTIONAL CONDITIONS that were also 2) the reason he gave in court documents about why he has been unemployed & on assistance for quite some time. 3) His history of arrests for violence are public record & have been reported on many occasions 4)his lying to the judge are part of the court record & were reported endlessly 4)he has changed his story on many occasions - always after being caught red-handed in an outright lie. Now, all of these things are part of the public record & have been reported ad nauseum but it appears you know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING - NADA -ZERO - ZIP about the case or the man you're defending. I will pray for you as it's obvious you have severe problems.

NickShaw
NickShaw

@IndyinTX31  

LOL! You say you want to wait for the trial but, call him a murderer.

Just the kind of objectivity we've come to expect from folks like you.

You don't know and neither do I but, I do know that race baiting has become the national sport of liberals and Skeeter.

It's funny but the exact same kind of situation happened in another city shortly after this incident. It was a black man in a car at a drive through window who shot and killed a white man pounding on his hood. The black man could have driven away but, he chose to shoot the guy.

He wasn't charged yet, there were no demonstrations or even much coverage.

This is race baiting. Pure and simple. And you're going along with it.

It's just sad how much like sheep Americans have become.

IndyinTX31
IndyinTX31

@NickShaw @IndyinTX31 So that is why you people defend a murderer? To get back at Sharpton? To highlight "Reverse racism.?"

I wrote a long comment then deleted it. This case is going to trial, there will be no stand your ground defense. The defense has Trayvons school records. Guess they're blaming the victim, Z did the same thing when his ex girlfriend filed charges against him.

Hope Z is keeping up with his adderall (amphetamine) Would have been nice to know how much was in his system that night. Or if he was drinking...

Let's all wait for the trial. I want to hear him explain why he had the authority or right to bother another private citizen.

NickShaw
NickShaw

@IndyinTX31  

I'm interested in the trial as well. I said I had a theory. That means I don't know for sure.

I see you have your own theories too. A couple of which don't fit with the evidence. He was not shot trying to get away, for instance.

Nevertheless, this is not a race thing.

IndyinTX31
IndyinTX31

@NickShaw @soundpam Okay. You would be okay with an armed stranger following YOUR child at night assuming they are commiting crimes?

You must assume Trayvon was casing houses. You ignore logic. The security footage of him buying snacks, the snacks found with his corpse, and the fact that he was almost home. Yes he belonged there. When this first happened the gated community circulated a note detailing that something happened with two residents.

Back to how it all began. No reason to bother another private citizen WALKING.

Z was seen on T's back. I ASSUME he was trying to hold him with a weapon trained on him for the police. He wanted a "collar" of his very own. He was murdered when he tried to get away. His poor mom must listen to his cries for help, his last words.

I am interested in the trial, I hope you don't ignore the evidence.

realmyiq2xu
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Toure Neblett obviously has no problem with making racist assumptions about white people.

BrianWoods
BrianWoods

@realmyiq2xu Exactly! You know people at Time do not care about the garabage which comes out of his mouth.

smac
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I always thought there was a presumption of innocence.  It's seems that presumption is only held, in your opinion, of Trayvon.  Maybe you should let this man have his day in court.  I dont find this article credible due to your untethered racism.  If you want to have a point of view then try not polarizing the lionshare of readers before you tell your story.  Obviously, you are affected by this situation but use your talents to find consensus for people actually sitting on the fence.

NickShaw
NickShaw

@smac  

Tourbus has talents? Coulda' fooled me!

You know, other than reading race into everything. I guess that might be considered a "talent".

Sharpton, Jackson and Farrakhan seem to make a good living at it.

Now that I think of it, most of the PMSNBC talking heads seem to do okay as well!

soundpam
soundpam

@smac Since when does the VICTIM have to be presumed ANYTHING????? You seem to have no knowledge of the law or our legal system. BTW - I'm a middle-aged white woman (5th gen Texan) & Toure is NOT the racist here. But I understand why you would want to deflect attention by blaming the innocent & defending the guilty....seems to be your MO.

BrianWoods
BrianWoods

@soundpam @smac Please shut up and no one cares you are a "middle-aged white woman (5th gen Texan)"! That is a comment a white person says when they are ridden with white guilt and want to prove how down they are with non-white causes even if it makes no sense!

smac
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@soundpam @smac  You should seriously reread what you write.  You apparently aren't mature enough to let the man have his day in court.  You want to determine your own facts and be the judge.  Do you kiss your mother with that mouth?

IndyinTX31
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@smac Trayvon would have liked to be presumed innocent by Zimmerman, instead he assumed he was on drugs and up to no good. Then murdered him.


BrianWoods
BrianWoods

@IndyinTX31 @smac That is why Zim walked away when he realized MArtin was not a problem but MArtin could not let that go so he attacked Zim from behind. That is what led to Martin's death with Zim DEFENDING himself! I agree that Zim should not have followed Martin, but Martin did not to attack Zim! For every action, there is a reaction!

HalfCanadian
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@IndyinTX31@smac 

The medical examiner did find drugs in Trayvon's system.  Zimmerman's perception was correct in this case.  

http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/05/17/new-evidence-trayvon-martin-had-drugs-in-his-system/

 In fact, Zimmerman's account of the events that night have held up very well.  He was attacked by Trayvon.  There's no evidence that Zimmerman punched/pushed/attacked Trayvon prior to Trayvon's assault.  

If I were the police, I'd be inclined to believe his account.  Particularly after the neighbors corroborated his story.  

IndyinTX31
IndyinTX31

@HalfCanadian @IndyinTX31 @smac Where have all the libertarians gone? So the penalty for substance use is death? According to Joe Oliver Z has a problem with alcohol. So he should be targeted and killed?

The important facts are what did Z know about T that night. The facts he knew: a young man WALKING.

This is why law enforcement is for trained officers who will be held accountable when they use deadly force wrongly. As a private citizen his place was only to CALL.

rltmd317
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Was this the only black boy to be murdered recently or is ok for black on black death.I want to make sure I understand, it is ok for blacks to kill blacks just as it is ok for blacks to use the n-word but anyone else then the world has come to an end.And it is obvious from the released photos that Zimmerman was attacked. I wasn't there as well NO ONE ELSE, so we don't know what happened. And people saying he was a great kid holds no water.He may have well been to some and maybe not to others who if that is the case will never say anything.Why isn't there articles on all the other innocent black children being murdered? Why is this one so important? The true answers to that question may reveal racism and what is holding this country back in that regards.I am not saying he is innocent but he has already been tried and convicted in the news.I have seen articles that refer to him as the murder/killer.That is not how this country is supposed to work.

IndyinTX31
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@rltmd317 Of course not! The difference here is that THIS murder was not being prosecuted.

williamlpope
williamlpope

@IndyinTX31 @rltmd317 It was being prosecuted that's why there is going to be a trial, that's why Zimmerman had to pay bail. 

BrianWoods
BrianWoods

@IndyinTX31 Enough with the child comments! MArtin could EASILY be mistaken for someone older than 17!

IndyinTX31
IndyinTX31

@williamlpope @IndyinTX31 yes it was ridiculous. Shoot an unarmed child who YOU pursue and the authorities send you on your way?

I support the 2nd ad. and the right of self DEFENSE. Zimmerman was armed and had a vehicle. He was safe.

williamlpope
williamlpope

@IndyinTX31 OK I do recall he was not initially being prosecuted.  I too thought that was ridiculous.  

IndyinTX31
IndyinTX31

@williamlpope @IndyinTX31 @rltmd317 Before protests the locals decided to believe Zimmerman, with no investigation. Now that he is being prosecuted I say lets see the evidence and let the chips fall where they may.

I hate agreeing with Toure. And additionally am disgusted that this man is chosen to speak for all Black people. As if we are a part of some sci fi mind meld.

Angela Corey says she doesn't prosecute by petition. I don't believe that. He is only being pursued because of protests. It should have been done without them.

jamesfarmer2008
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@soundpam @williamlpope @IndyinTX31 @rltmd317 tell'em., as far as the Sanford PD was concerned Zimmerman had shot and killed an unarmed young man in self defense. He gave them his recollections of the events and they believed it to be conforming with whatever investigation they had launched. Therefore, Mr. Zimmerman was thanked for his services and sent on his mighty way... However, part of America, this beautiful country of ours, this sweet mix of evil and pure awesomeness didn't see it that way. Protests were held, rallies were launched, and people's voices were heard across the country. Subsequently Mr. Zimmerman's story was challenged and he was finally arrested and indicted

soundpam
soundpam

@williamlpope @IndyinTX31 @rltmd317 No - it WAS NOT being prosecuted. He was only arrested AFTER a big stink was made - In fact, that was WHY a stink was made - because it was NOT being prosecuted. I don't mind you being stupid but please stop spreading false information!