Viewpoint: Leave Ben Carson Alone

History has shown that black conservatives don't impede racial progress.

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Dr. Ben Carson speaks during the 2013 Conservative Political Action Conference at the Gaylord National Resort & Conference Center at National Harbor, Md., on Saturday, March 16, 2013

Ben Carson criticized Obamacare, sharply, with Obama listening, at the National Prayer Breakfast in February. And Carson is black.

Yes, Carson is the black – gasp – conservative of the moment, this weekend also speaking out against gay marriage, for which he has been forced to apologize.

Unsurprisingly, Carson, an accomplished neurosurgeon at Johns Hopkins, has been celebrated by the right, and is considering politics. Enter the usual dogpile from black commenters: Carson as a traitor, a sellout, airing his views not from sincerity but because he wants to please the white establishment and make a buck.

Many wonder why so many black people seem to treat true diversity of opinion as heresy. There is, in fact, a reason which, in itself, makes sense. The idea is that black conservatives, in distracting whites from thinking about racism, impede black progress and even give entrée to a possible racist backlash.

That’s not crazy at all – but the problem is that history has shown it to be invalid.

(MORE: John McWhorter on Stop-and-Frisk Isn’t the Problem)

We can go back to the fifties, when black columnist and author George Schuyler went sharply rightward in his opinions. Schuyler disapproved not only of Malcolm X but Martin Luther King, Jr.

So, black columnist Carl Rowan dissed Schuyler as being “shrewd for telling white America what it wanted to hear.” Others tarred Schuyler later as “on a quest for mainstream acceptance,” “self-hating” and so on.

Yet during exactly the time Schuyler was giving such offense, America witnessed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965, with a president of Southern origins playing a key role in ushering them into reality.

It would appear that Schuyler’s views had rather little effect upon black progress. We move on.

Say, to the nineties. Ever since Shelby Steele published his National Book Award-winning The Content of Our Character in 1990, the same types who hated on Schuyler have used him for target practice. Steele argued that for black liberals, decrying racism has become a power ploy used in place of concrete achievement. In most black circles, one is to roll one’s eyes at the mention of his name. Once again, we are to suppose thoughts like his threaten to set blacks back.

But they haven’t.

By the early 2000s, the CEOs of AOL Time Warner, American Express and Merrill Lynch were all black, as were the presidents of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops and the American Bar Association. The black middle class had continued to grow. The Mayor of Atlanta was a black woman – imagine how likely that would ever have seemed to the grand old Civil Rights leaders just a generation before.

(MORE: The Identity Card by Shelby Steele)

Then I might note that I myself got a reputation as a dreaded black “conservative” in the wake of my own Losing the Race in 2000. Never mind that I am a contrarian Democrat rather than a right-winger; the impression sticks among many that I am a man of the right. All I know is that since I started writing on race, America has elected a black man President not once but twice, while residential segregation for blacks is the lowest it has been since the Warren Harding administration.

Black people keep on keeping on. We always have. If there is really such a thing as black pride, we need to celebrate our resilience and progress and let go of the idea that our well-being depends on whites being exquisitely tuned to the nuances of racism and its legacies.

After all, no matter how plausible that may sound, there is no evidence of its validity. The data is in now: black people airing non-left opinions does not hold the race back. As such, the soul patrol may safely leave Ben Carson alone.

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JohnClemensMcculloughIII
JohnClemensMcculloughIII

A Polluted Lake
Or
The Fools That Live In The CUL-DE-SAC

You mean there is no one able to rise above the oil sheen and take a look at what is happening to the lake, to see how its being polluted?

There’s this lake with lake life and the surface has an oil sheen; yes the lake is polluted. The inhabitants of the lake live in the pollution unaware. The hazards are immense and the... clarity of life is confused. Don’t eat this, don’t eat that and this is healthy. The stress level is high and yet no one understands what is creating the stress. Reaction upon reaction with no due speculation to any of the actions. The counsel given is by the same persons who they themselves are in denial to facts of their environment just as the rest of the inhabitants. The appointed ones are placed because the true leadership has no recognition of being valid. The inhabitants are consumed with what they want to believe and condemn all other statements as error and unconceivable; when in fact they practice such issue causing abrasiveness themselves. The lake's society becomes unlivable to life itself as well and the environment to support its life’s society.

moyatak
moyatak

To Dr. Carson

i'm 22 years old  black men . about year ago i read this article on ebony magazine  1 out  of 8 black women get breast caner and a lot of black man die of cancer in america . they are dyeing because of there insurance doping them because of per existing condition  or they cant afford insurance . Dr Carson: should know better running around the country talking about   The universal Health Care is bad . that's just wrong because . i work about 45-55 hours a week and insurance is still very high for me .it coast about 65$ a week . im barely keeping up with my bills 250$ a month a lot of money . im not some free loader i work hard , i bet there are lot of you out there can relate what im talking about 

 with all do respect to Dr.Carson or any conservative out there . i think you guys are wrong because one single republican introduced a better health care system be side this big insurance companies .  

boldandworthy
boldandworthy

To Dr.Carson and John McWhorter: 

From Dr. King: The Black person cannot win the respect of his oppressor by acquiescing; he merely increases the oppressor's arrogance and contempt. Acquiescence is interpreted as proof of the black person 's inferiority.

 They may pay your for the use of your body, but they do not respect you, they will not have you to their homes, or churches.  No, they will only use you until a newer model comes along.

boldandworthy
boldandworthy

For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?  How much did it cost?  Judas betrayed Jesus for only  30 pieces of silver, what crumbs did they throw your way.  Remember in the end that those who betray the innocent, just like Judas, end up doing to themselves the evil planned for others.

zaglossus
zaglossus

It's not his views per se that are causing the big ruckus. It's that the Republicans are trying to build this guy up as some sort of black messiah who will peel fellow blacks away from voting Democrat. Hannity, for one, had an hour long special on this guy and it wasn't about his medical accomplishments.

robertbukacera
robertbukacera

Liberal:  Republicans are racist, sexist, homophobic, gun-toting religious fanatics.

Conservative:  But you support the Muslims who are racist, sexist, homophobic, gun toting religious fanatics.

Liberal: That’s their culture.  You have no right to judge them.  

robertbukacera
robertbukacera

Liberal:  I am pro choice

Conservative:  Can I choose to smoke?

Liberal:  No, it’s not good for you.

Conservative:  Can I choose a large soda? 

Liberal: No, it’s not good for you?

Conservative:  Can I choose to own a gun?

Liberal:  No, it’s not safe for kids.

Conservative:  Can I choose low cost coal?

Liberal:  No, it’s not good for the planet?

Conservative:  Can I choose to honor God?

Liberal:  No, that’s offensive.

Conservative:  So what can I choose?

Liberal:  An Abortion. 

robertbukacera
robertbukacera

Liberals fancy themselves as open minded.  However, disagree with them and they'll not only tell you you're wrong, they'll tell you you're mean, evil, and that you want children to starve.  Most liberals won't even consort with non-likeminded people.  Pretty open minded, right?

Conservatives generally think that liberals have good intentions, but are just misguided.  This is why it's useless to argue with a liberal.  It's a waste of time to attempt to engage in a rational argument with people who think you're interested in starving children.  It's like arguing with a random 5 year old. 

Considering the obvious failures of liberal policy in effect, liberalism--and more specifically--Obama worship, is a religion.  No amount of evidence will convince the useful idiots that they're wrong.  

DavidLHucks
DavidLHucks

Diversity...  It was once pursued and celebrated among us.  Ben Carson is the highest example of diversity.  His opinions aren't like those of most black Americans.  His opinions on Gays are different as well.   Why ARE we so afraid of his opinions?   It's as if we question his right to have those opinions.

The left believes the jury is "IN" on all left of center values and beliefs as if they are facts.   Diversity in thought gives us all a chance to re-evaluate a lot of left leaning thinking.   Let's let the arguments stand on merit and quit shouting down good people simply because they have their own thought out opinions.

riccismiles
riccismiles

Who said anything about "holding back"? The reason people go bananas over guys like Dr. Carson are it is just hard to believe a man of color, a man who has a genetic/family direct link to horrible acts of discrimination would EVER stand up for, and be a proponent for MORE segregation. The outcry isnt about "holding us back", most people of color dont worry about the end result because it is usually GOOD and inevitable therby. The problem is no one can believe a "conservative black man or any man of color" would use his time on the soap box to RESTRICT the rights of another consenting intelligent adult who is simply trying to live a non-violent and loving existence. That you (the writer) seems to fail in understanding this is actually both tragic and hilarious because it defines YOU the writer as fully uninformed. It is easier to say the outcry is vanity or pride. How can a man or woman of color be so ignorant of the realities of life? That is the outcry's genesis and YOU (the writer) fit perfectly within the outcry's buckshot.

ShumPreston
ShumPreston

this is pretty silly. Carson is rightfully being criticized for repeating the worst lie and slander against gay people, that we are child molesters. this slur perfectly pairs two other historical lies--the blood libel of Jews killing babies and the Jim Crow lie of black men being rapists. He then made it worse with a b.s. apology "if anyone was offended." It is painful to watch gay-haters grapple with the fact that Americans

ShumPreston
ShumPreston

oh come on John, this is just silly.

Carson is rightfully being criticized for the content of his character. he repeated the worst lie and slander against gay people there is, that we are child molesters; his slur perfectly paired two other historic lies--the "blood libel" that Jews kill babies and the Jim Crow myth of black men being rapists.

Such hatred against God's gay/lesbian children is out of step with America, which is why his comments provoked this backlash that has come to define the not-so-good doctor. Isnt this a sign of progress all around?

HenryMiller
HenryMiller

"The data is in now: black people airing non-left opinions does not hold the race back."

Actually, it looks to me like black people holding on to Left opinions--the opinions of dependency, the sense of entitlement, the frequently vindictive attitude toward whites--is what's holding them back.


How many blacks can't find jobs because businesses are scared of the Left's economy?  How many black-owned businesses have been regulated out of business by the Left's over-regulation.  How many black families have been destroyed by the Left's family disincentives?

PaulSerrano
PaulSerrano

You're SO FAR OFF the point John it's not even funny - Mary Curtis of WaPo fortunately gets it better than even I can say..

"It’s (carson's slavery analogies) insulting to African Americans who happen to be Democrats because JUST MAYBE (emphasis mine) they agree with a majority of the party’s platform. If Carson is off the plantation, does that mean they are on it? Members of the Congressional Black Caucus don’t hesitate to criticize the Democratic Party or the president, most recently for failing to appoint more African Americans to high-level positions in the administration. And the last time I looked, Rep. John Lewis (D-Ga.), who survived beatings, batons and worse as a civil rights activist, was nobody’s slave.

Instead of feeling outraged by the slights of white liberals, Carson should appreciate the fact that his every word is scrutinized. That doesn’t mean he’s being treated differently as a conservative black man. It proves that when it comes to politics he’s just like everybody else."

Koiquoe
Koiquoe

Blacks see another Clarence Thomas in Carson. And rightfully so.

Koiquoe
Koiquoe

The author offers a bogus argument of why blacks may be turned off by Carson. Carson would not even consider the idea of becoming president were it not for the precedent set by Obama. But to launch his illusory bid for president, what does he do - he publicly launched a political attack at Obama after Obama invited him to the non-political White House prayer breakfast. Mr. Carson cannot cite any other occasion where offered his advice on healthcare throughout the protracted debate. But found this occasion, not to offer constructive advice, but to use it as a springboard for his political ambition.

Further, Mr. Carson also portrays himself as the paragon of hardwork. That through his mother's wisdom, he made it to where he is. But Mr. Carson fails to mention that it is through the finances (welfare) of others that he was able to attend college and medical school. Yet he supports a party that supports eliminating Pell Grant and Head Start, programs that would give other less fortunate individuals the opportunity to become the next Ben Carson.

Mr. Carson also aligns himself with a party that is actively trying to disenfranchise blacks after the difficult struggle that blacks have undergone to obtain that right. Mr. Carson subtle and overt affronts to blacks for his self-serving purposes are too numerous to list here.

mooklock314
mooklock314

"If there is really such a thing as black pride, we need to celebrate our resilience and progress and let go of the idea that our well-being depends on whites being exquisitely tuned to the nuances of racism and its legacies."

The very idea that you are in any fashion dependent on whites (or anyone or anything) holds you back. Be fearless and resolute and reward will come. Carson's success continues to show why dependency is slavery.

kyronnex
kyronnex

I think people have an irresistible need for a "single picture" similar to the System I coherence model proposed by Daniel Kahnemann. 

And I think this affects both liberals and conservatives.

People cannot keep ideas of personal responsibility (practiced by most republicans) separate from ideas on racism (practiced by some people on the republican rolls). People have a need to paint all republicans as racist even though they are not.

Similarly, people have a hard time keeping ideas of egalitarian justice (practiced by most democrats) separate from ideas of dependency and takers (practiced by some people on the democratic rolls). People have a need to paint all democrats as takers even though they are not.

Ben Carson could a genuine conservative and not be racist at the same time. Now, on the other hand, if he wanted a long form birth certificate or suspected that Obama was born in Kenya or that Obama is a muslim .... then I have no doubts he is a racist! :)

May be we should realize this point and move on ...

JoePhillips
JoePhillips

Liberals hate Carson because he is accomplished much by brains and not because of his skin color like their affirmative idiot Obama!

Bernd_Harzog
Bernd_Harzog

As a conservative who would love to seek Dr. Carson seek a high office in the land (perhaps the highest), I do not want the liberals to leave him alone. Liberals take your best shots now. Let Dr. Carson learn what he is going to endure if he decides to seek office and let him learn how to teach the American people the truth about the failure of your policies and your ideas. If Dr. Carson cannot withstand your criticism and put your ideas and your policies in their rightful place (the dustbin of history), then he is not the right person to lead America back from the disastrous hole that Obama has put us in.

robertbukacera
robertbukacera

...and the Democrats make sure that blacks are kept poor, ignorant, and most importantly....registered Democrats.  If one wanders off the plantation, they must be hunted down and destroyed.  How nice. 

Think_again
Think_again

@robertbukacera 

Huh?

Another day, another rambling screed from someone who feels oh-so-put-upon. Several grumblings in a row, in this case, which bear only a faint resemblance to reality. So persecuted. Waaa.

MichaelStaker
MichaelStaker

@robertbukacera  So sad, but so true!

I have been interested--and appalled--by recent headlines on post-birth abortion (Planned Parenthood supporting, or medical ethicists publishing in Medical Journal of Ethics supporting)--makes sense, since there is so little difference between in the womb and out a few moments later, but still sad to see--these "pro choice" folks are the very ones who are working to destroy choice and freedom for all of us--including our first and second amendment rights, freedom of speech and freedom of religion, the right to bear arms--and of course the right to life for these babies (I see abortion as akin to slavery or the Holocaust as far as moral principle, and one day future generations will look back on the ignorance of American people in the same way we look back on those living during the times of slavery)--yes, you are right, we need to continue to raise our voices to those "liberal" and "pro choice" brothers and sisters in our nation, who in reality show themselves to be so narrow-minded and anti-choice when it comes down to true American principles and time-honored values.

Let the man speak!

Da'udMaud'dib
Da'udMaud'dib

@HenryMiller, I'm happy to answer your questions. scared of the left's economy, you mean the economy bequeathed to us by GW and his two unfunded wars, or the one bequeathed to us by GW and the crashed banks, housing markets and US Auto industry only saved by this presidents. Now you will say, "stop blaming Bush, when is O going to take responsibility for the economy." He does take responsibility for working to bring it back not for having dug the whole. If you want I can give you equally salient answers for the remaining questions but for now I'll just say. We are not over-regulated if it keeps us from eating tainted food, having tainted rivers and aid or keeps us safe on the road.  The left is not now nor has ever been anti-family it is just anti poverty.  You need boot straps before you can pull them up. 

robertbukacera
robertbukacera

@HenryMiller don't expect any serious attempts to answer your legitimate questions.  It's easier to just call you names.  

robertbukacera
robertbukacera

@Koiquoe What does that mean?  Other than generational poverty and dependency, what exactly have your left wing politicians and their cliched ridden speeches gotten you?  Nada.  

LeftCoastRightBrain
LeftCoastRightBrain

@Koiquoe I seem to have missed the part where Dr. Carson is running for president.

I don't believe Carson ever has denied that student loans and scholarships paid for his education. Why should he?  His family certainly didn't have the means to send him to college.

Conservatives don't want to eliminate Pell grants, merely review the rules for qualification.  In terms of Head Start, the data does not support "universal pre-school". That not some reactionary knuckle dragging conservative, that's real hard data.  EVERY federal and state program should be reviewed every ten years or so to see if it is accomplishing the goals set out in the enabling legislatino.

Ah, yes...sigh. When in doubt accuse conservative of trying to disenfranchise minority voters. Yawn...next?

robertbukacera
robertbukacera

@Koiquoe you're a complete fraud.  I'll go out on a limb and say you were silent when Obama invited Paul Ryan to his speech on health care and then INSULTED him while he was sitting in the front row.  Completely classless.  You're a useful idiot, pal.  

Koiquoe
Koiquoe

@Bernd_Harzog Carson is going nowhere in the republican party. He is just a necessary face right now. Just ask Colin Powell (Cheney brags of getting him fired), Michael Steele (undermined by Rove as RNC chair), J. C. Watts (could not advance beyond being a black face for the party), Condi Rice (Cheney belittled her as a incompetent crybaby), Mia Love (the would-be republican star that republicans voted against to send a Dem to the House), etc.

robertbukacera
robertbukacera

@Bernd_Harzog they hate Carson because he's not a product of the welfare state.  He made it on his own.  You don't get where he is through some bs affirmative action program.  Unlike Obama, this man has actual accomplishments.  He actually has held real jobs.  

roknsteve
roknsteve

If you conservatives would come up with one positive idea for America I would listen.  All you do is keep us divided with words like "plantation".  Every comment you've made here is filled with hate.

Koiquoe
Koiquoe

@robertbukacera @Koiquoe The first black president of the United States would be one example among many. By contrast, the republican party hardly has a black person in your party. If you were a black person, which party would you embrace?

Koiquoe
Koiquoe

@LeftCoastRightBrain @KoiquoeYou must be the only republican who missed the part where Ben Carson is trying to run for president. Did you also miss the part where he was a participant in the CPAC straw poll?

Yes, even Carson needed financial help in obtaining an education. To see him now support policies that seek to rescind the same help for other less fortunate Americans speaks to the blatant hypocrisy of the man.

You wrote: Conservatives don't want to eliminate Pell grants, merely review the rules for qualification.

This is your most thoughtless assertion so far. Are you familiar with the Paul Ryan budget? It has been very widely discussed. And what data does not support preschool! It is universally known that preschool is a necessary precursor to a child performing well in school. Did you send your children to preschool?

There were no fewer than ten cases during the past election where republicans enacted laws to disenfranchise minority voters, laws that were ALL subsequently struck down by the courts. As we speak, those nefarious efforts are still underway. Acting willfully ignorant is not a persuasive argument, you know.


Koiquoe
Koiquoe

@robertbukacera @Koiquoe You republicans are very fond of comparing apples to oranges. Paul Ryan and Obama were engaged in a political debate. Ryan had made his point through numerous speeches and his RyanCare budget, accusing Obama of literally destroying America. So he was given a front row seat to Obama's rejoinder. By contrast, Carson was simply a political opportunist who used the most inauspicious occasion (a prayer breakfast)  for his political expedience. Vastly different circumstances.

Bernd_Harzog
Bernd_Harzog

@Koiquoe @Bernd_Harzog So your thesis is that the Republican party is fundamentally racist and hostile to black people? If that is so, then why do some very smart and very successful black people choose to become Republicans? Are all blacks idiots unless they stay on the liberal plantation of government dependency?

robertbukacera
robertbukacera

@roknsteve Way to go, Republicans need to come up with "positive ideas."  All of my comments are "filled with hate."  You come across as a simpleton, sir, which is not surprising given the level of sophistication of most Obama voters.  

Think_again
Think_again

@robertbukacera @Think_again

Actually, I support our legal system and the rules by which it operates to protect the rights of the citizens of the United States, and the rights of all who are within our boundaries. Once you start making distinctions, things get messy and less than admirable.

I take it you equate 'terrorist' with 'Muslim', since you initially claimed 'we' "support Muslims." Do you believe that rights should not be read to terrorists because we should not support Muslims -- since they are "racist, sexist, homophobic, gun toting religious fanatics?" 

On the other hand, if we come across a domestic terrorist, a Timothy McVeigh perhaps, or member of a white supremacist group, that person should be read his rights because he is not a Muslim -- even if he is a "racist, sexist, homophobic, gun toting religious fanatic?" The difference is according to whether the 'terrorist' is a Muslim? Or are only Muslims terrorists? Or do we withhold due process to people who are "racist, sexist, homophobic, gun toting religious fanatics?" Is it such people whom we shouldn't support, or only when they are Muslims?

Think_again
Think_again

@robertbukacera @Think_again

'Huh?' means that when you say 'liberals' "support" the Muslims etc. etc. I have no idea where you get that or what you mean by that. So, Huh?

You obviously feel put upon, complaining that 'liberals' "tell you you're mean, evil, and that you want children to starve.  Most liberals won't even consort with non-likeminded people." After that, you grumble that you can't 'attempt to engage in a rational argument' with "them" -- when all the while you have been setting up your own argument with straw men. 

If you want to engage in a rational discussion, then why don't you start one by making a point, considering the response, and then offering your own response -- rather than creating your own invidious version of how the argument 'always' goes? i.e. make your point without assuming what you know the response will be. Your handling of the meaning of 'freedom of choice' is an example of twisting the dialogue beyond recognition. 

One could easily construct a matching dialogue about the meaning of 'liberty' or 'freedom' to a 'conservative' -- which doesn't exclude regulating other people's liberty (such as marriage) when it doesn't suit your prejudices. But you see, that would be unfair, because I don't really know what you think personally about those issues -- and it would be wrong for me to assume that I know. 

And when 'liberals' openly express their disappointment in Obama, and criticism of him, one has to wonder, who on earth are you talking about when you say 'we' practice a "religion" of "Obama worship?"

And as so often happens at the end of such complaints against these fictitious 'liberal' straw man, you have to round off your point (such as it is) by calling them "idiots."

Are these sentences complete enough for you? 

Koiquoe
Koiquoe

@Chosun1 @Koiquoe @robertbukaceraThe national reputation of Powell and Rice is not in dispute. What is at issue is the republican party attitude towards them. I am only paraphrasing what Cheney said in his book - that Powell wanted to stay on for a second term but HE prevented it from happening, and that Rice would cry in his office whenever he found her to be incompetent.

J. C. Watts left the republican Congress because he could not advance. Bush pleaded with him to stay on and continue being the token black but he refused. 

Michael Steele became RNC chairman but was completely thwarted by Karl Rove when Rove convinced republican donor not to donate their money to the profligate black guy but to give it to Rove instead. Then they accused Steele of being unable to raise money for the RNC.

Mia Love resides in a state that predominantly votes republican, yet they could not find it in their heart to vote a black republican even though their party really wanted to have its first black female member of Congress.

You wrote:  Her major problem is that she is a black woman who does not represent an area that is majority black -- that seems to be hard for many on the left to swallow (the idea that white people do vote for black people, even very conservative white people)

That, my friend, is the heart of the matter. IT IS CALLED RACISM! And that is the republican problem. Now that you have admitted it, do you think they will vote for Ben Carson, or would he be just another token black like the rest?

Chosun1
Chosun1

@Koiquoe @robertbukacera - Your examples are not at all persuasive.  Powell & Rice have both been considered legitimate presidential contenders in the Republican Party.  Powell had a great shot but decided not to pursue the Oval Office.  As for Watts, he had a low level national profile but never more than Congress usually affords for its stars.   As for Love, she's a mayor of a city who ran for Congress ... last year:  She is young and probably has a bright political future.  Her major problem is that she is a black woman who does not represent an area that is majority black -- that seems to be hard for many on the left to swallow (the idea that white people do vote for black people, even very conservative white people).

Koiquoe
Koiquoe

@robertbukacera @Koiquoe Implicit in my answer is the fact that a black person is respected in the Dem party such that he can rise as far as the presidency. Contrasting that with the republican party, the most qualified blacks (Powell, Steele, Rice, Watts, Love, etc.), were used and eventually relegated when they were deemed useless.

And you ought to work on your manners. Your morose nature is not very persuasive.

robertbukacera
robertbukacera

@Koiquoe @robertbukacera Ok, so Obama's skin color is the most important thing to you?  If I were a mindless liberal, I might have to call you a racist.  Other than government handouts, what have these blood sucking politicians given you?  That's a trick question, because you're not supposed to depend on politicians to GIVE you anything--that is, if you had a basic understanding of American History.  


robertbukacera
robertbukacera

@Koiquoe @robertbukacera 

You're a religions zealot, and Obamaism is your religion.  15% black unemployment?  It's Bush's fault!  17 trillion in debt?  Obama had no choice but to borrow all this money.  

If Obama said the moon was made of cheese, you'd run around repeating it.  

robertbukacera
robertbukacera

@Koiquoe @robertbukacera WRONG!  You have no idea what you're talking about.  You don't invite a man to a supposedly serious speech and then insult him.  Obama voters are uninformed morons.  

Koiquoe
Koiquoe

@Bernd_Harzog @Koiquoe The onus is on you to name those phantom "thousands of successful black businesspeople" who are republicans. 

Bernd_Harzog
Bernd_Harzog

@Koiquoe @Bernd_Harzog You only listed politicians. Ben Carson is not a politician (at least not yet). Is he an idiot for not being a liberal Democrat? How about the thousands of other successful black businesspeople who happen to be Republican? Are they idiots for not being liberal Democrats?

Koiquoe
Koiquoe

@Bernd_Harzog @Koiquoe I listed in my post the most successful and prominent black people who chose to become republican. They were all abused by their party. So I do not know what other "successful black people" you are referring to. Perhaps if you give some names ...

robertbukacera
robertbukacera

@roknsteve Ok, two posts, and nothing interesting to say.  A typical Obama voter.  A good soldier for the cause, but incapable of putting two thoughts together. 

roknsteve
roknsteve

Wow, A love note from the goon squad.  You better save some of your drool for another day.