New Availability of Plan B Makes Philadelphia Abortion Doc an Anachronism

The awful horror of Gosnell will disappear not as a result of legislation or trials, but easy access to pharmaceutical options for abortion

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Yong Kim / ASSOCIATED PRESS

Dr. Kermit Gosnell in an interview with the Philadelphia Daily News at his attorney's office in Philadelphia, on March 8, 2010.

Kermit Gosnell — the doctor who is on trial for killing a patient, four newborn babies, and performing numerous illegal abortions in a cesspool of a clinic in West Philadelphia—is many things.  He is inept, according to many who work for him. He did monstrous things — according to eyewitnesses, he severed the spinal cords of liveborn babies because he did not know what he was doing in trying to end late-term pregnancies. He is a doctor indifferent to patient welfare as, according to witness after witness, he had inadequately trained staff use inappropriate assemblyline care for those who came to see him. And Kermit Gosnell is a pawn in the nation’s ongoing moral war over elective abortion.  Those who oppose abortion see in him all that is wrong with allowing the choice to end pregnancy.  Those who defend the right to choice see in him all that is wrong when efforts to restrict access to abortion and push the procedure out of the medical mainstream produce filthy third-world level facilities staffed by hacks and charlatans.

As both pro-choice and pro-life forces attempt to put Kermit Gosnell to use to argue the moral rectitude of their position, and the jury in his trial continues to deliberate, there is a danger that we will lose sight of what Kermit Gosnell really is — an anachronism.

(MORE: Abortion Doctor’s Murder Trial Sparks Media Debate)

Gosnell should certainly go to jail — and in all likelihood, he will. The hardened veteran police who raided his clinic were overwhelmed with emotion and anger at what they found there. But technology is making it less and less likely that the public face of abortion in the future will bear any resemblance to Kermit Gosnell and his backroom butchershop.

Gosnell was a stop of last resort for woman late in their pregnancies. They sought an abortion past the point of fetal viability — a choice illegal in Pennsylvania and throughout the United States. For these women, Gosnell and his ilk are their only option.

But regardless of the outcome of Gosnell’s trial, the need for late trimester abortion is going to disappear. Even surgical abortion will be a thing of the past, as the abortion clinic slowly gives way to pharmaceutical abortion.

More and more women will be using cheap and readily available emergency contraception, not abortion. The FDA just announced that Plan B can be sold over-the-counter to buyers as young as 15. Other women will use mifepristone when they choose to end a pregnancy within the first seven weeks. They won’t be faced with the choice of a third trimester abortion because they will be able to easily access pharmaceutical options. The awful horror of Gosnell will disappear not as a result of legislation or protests or even trials but as a result of affordable pills that are easy to use.

(MORE: Dr. Kermit Gosnell’s Case is About Poverty, Not Roe v. Wade)

A huge change is coming regarding abortion.  By eliminating the “provider,” women will make the decision to take or not take pills that can prevent or end pregnancy.  The future battle over abortion will be about the right to use a pill in the privacy of a woman’s home before pregnancy begins or early once it does — it will have very little to do with Kermit Gosnell, about whom the sooner we can forget, the better.

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JohnMohan
JohnMohan

"But regardless of the outcome of Gosnell’s trial, the need for late trimester abortion is going to disappear."

The NEED for late trimester abortion?  The NEED?!?!  How dare you?  If you were writing about new drugs that surgically castrate perverts and child molesters, would you write that "the need for child rape is going to disappear"???

JohnPaul
JohnPaul

Ridiculous article. Ending a pregnancy at any point is ending a developing human baby. Taking a pill to terminate the pregnancy at any point would be the same as giving you baby a pill to "terminate" it at any point (You'll argue that that's not true... which just mystifies me). Kermit has simply shown the world that abortion ends life, and that people can feel fine (numb) about it as long as it's "sterile" and behind closed doors where they never have to see it. But when they see what the murder of a child looks like... you have 2 choices: Try to sweep it under the rug like this article wants, or to accept that the only rights being denied here are those of the voiceless unborn.

JBM
JBM

I cannot believe a director of medical ethics would gloss over one of the most ethically debatable issues of our time. Regardless of your views on abortion, the LAST thing we should do is forget Kermit Gosnell. A truly disappointing, superficial, and frankly ridiculous article. There will always be women seeking late-term abortions. We need to face this issue head on, and not attempt to sweep it under the rug. Especially if you are a director of medical ethics.

Anonymous1
Anonymous1

*Some* abortions will still need to be late term, as some birth defects/health issues do not become apparent until much later in a pregnancy. I think it's very short-sighted to say we no longer need late term abortions. Bottom line, it should remain safe and legal and people like Gosnell should never have been practicing medicine in the first place regardless of any of these points.

Peace_2_All
Peace_2_All

FROM THE ARTICLE:

A huge change is coming regarding abortion.  By eliminating the “provider,” women will make the decision to take or not take pills that can prevent or end pregnancy.  The future battle over abortion will be about the right to use a pill in the privacy of a woman’s home before pregnancy begins or early once it does — it will have very little to do with Kermit Gosnell, about whom the sooner we can forget, the better. "

Excellent! Causes the *Pro-Forced-Gestationers* to have to find a way to create a law where people can't even take a pill.

Good luck on that one...*Pro-Forced-Gestationers*

Peace...




JohnMohan
JohnMohan

@Peace_2_All  

 "Pro-Forced-Gestationers"?

 Who's forcing people to have unprotected sex and become pregnant? That's terrible!  I wasn't aware...

I guess just as with most people of the "Liberal" mindset (which doesn't extend to granting liberty to unborn babies to continue to exist), the idea of personal responsibility is just a bit too much for you to grasp.

Peace_2_All
Peace_2_All

@JohnMohan @Peace_2_All 

@JohnMohan ---- Gosh John... I can sooo see you standing on a soap-box on a street corner with your Bible in hand, shouting from the top of your lungs..."The end is near... repent... Jesus is coming!!!" 

Sorry, but I digress here.

My quoted comments from the article talked about the next battle being a pill that could prevent a pregnancy from even happening or extremely early.

I'm assuming that you, with a "Religious/Socially Conservative" mindset want to control and create laws that *force* a girl, regardless of age and circumstances, to carry a pregnancy to term.

Hence, you are a "Pro-Forced Gestationer."  Your feeble attempt to try and change the scope of the conversation, not only didn't work, but reinforces the "social conservative" position of *controlling* and *forcing* females(and the conversation/debate...by the way) to bow to your inflexible position on a *very complex* situation.

Regards,

Peace...



Peace_2_All
Peace_2_All

@JohnMohan @Peace_2_All

@JohnMohan --- Hi John! 

Well... now that we have broken the ice a bit... so to speak, I'm enjoying the discussion.

Moniker--- Since we are kinda' getting to know each other... I put that out there in the last postregarding(information to educate/help/enlighten you) about *monikers* not knowing what you know, and what you don't.  So, my intentions were positive.

And... while 'of course' your debating skills and opinions are ..."infallible" :-) By you bringing it up still in our conversation would be classified basically as a "Red Herring," as it  had -0- relevance to the topic at hand.  Your "observations" or not :-)

And... again... since you hurled the first insult, I was being snarky back at ya'... which again, is typically not would I do.  From time to time I sling some, but I'm *typically* not the one who has gone there first.  However, my sincere apologies to you.

*Content*--- I do understand where you are coming from, I am just in agreement that there is a small window, where by law, a girl gets to make a soul-searching 'choice.'  A very, very, very tough and complex decision.  Yes, of course, we both agree... "as safe and as rare as possible."  However, I am not in favor of limiting that small window that is available to girls.  I think how the laws are written (in general) give the female that small window, to in the early stages of pregnancy to terminate, if they so choose,  as I know they are ending a potential human being, but I'm siding with the one that is making the choice.  For the most part it is a terrible thing for a female to go through.  I know of several that have made that choice.  By all accounts, they stated it was one of the hardest decisions that they have ever made... but, ultimately they were glad they did.  And... I'm sure that there are some out there that may regret that they did, and some that are happy that they 'didn't' end up terminating the pregnancy.  Think "Tim Tebow's" Mom.

I just don't see how we can literally *Force* someone to *have* to go through with gestating a child, just because someone 'else' doesn't thing the girls choosing or reasons are  o.k.

It's not about necessarily people having "unprotected sex" or "hooking up" all the time.  Sometimes, things happen... and ... it is for the girl/female to *decide*...of course within the law, and within that short window, to make what is usually a grueling and heart-wrenching decision.

Do you really think that if a 12 year old girl that has sex, and lets say the condom breaks, or whatever the reason... and she ends up getting pregnant, that she should be **Forced** by the ******government***** to **have to** **compelled to** have that child?  If so, this may be where we will just have to agree to disagree.

Anyway, you sound like a pretty fascinating person.  Your accomplishments with the Trumpet (awesome)... and your focus on Neuro-regeneration... that is truly fascinating to me.  What are the latest findings in the field on Neuro-plasticity, etc...? Curious to hear what you have to say.

In my opinion, it's good to find someone that there is mutual respect and that you can debate and converse... so *both parties* are enriched and learn each other's perspectives.  I *really* like that.... do you, John?

My opinions are 'not' infallible, which leads me to want to learn and not just stick to some entrenched position, make sense??

Anyway, that's a little bit more about me and what I'm looking for with people on these blogs and message boards over the years.  Actually have made quite a few friends online that have I stay in touch with.

Alright... John... catch ya' on the flip-side.

Regards,

Peace...



JohnMohan
JohnMohan

@Peace_2_All @JohnMohan  

It might be common to attack a moniker or userID when one has a weak argument but that is not the case here.  First off, I wasn't attacking your moniker, I was merely observing that while your moniker and your sign-off contain the word "Peace", hurling insults does not usually lead to said Peace...  And besides, as both my debating skills and my opinions in this matter are infallible, I certainly wouldn't need to be resorting to insulting your name, moniker and/or UserID...   :-)

As you have, I've noticed that really, our views are quite similar. I've always liked what President Clinton said when asked about abortion: that it's best to keep it "as safe and rare as possible."

I didn't mean to be insulting when I wrote what I wrote - sorry it came off that way (I see in retrospect how it could).  But from my point of view, when people act irresponsibly and get pregnant, I fail to see how preventing them from killing an unborn baby quite can be equated with "Forced Gestation" - they're the ones that choose to start said Gestation process in the first place.  And that led to my commentary regarding how it seems to me liberal people often seem to not put much value in personal responsibility.  


I haven't finished my Biomed degree yet - I'm on the Cell & Tissue tract, though I might switch to Neuro, as Neuro regeneration and all that fascinates me.I'm an interesting, or rather, insane case: from about age 20 until my mid 40's I made my living playing trumpet, first in Los Angeles doing studio work and then in Germany and several other countries "over there" playing mainly for Musicals ("Cats", "Phantom", "West Side Story", "Evita", "Grease" etc.). That picture of me is from the Orchestra Pit of the Musical Theater Basel in Basel, Switzerland playing "West Side Story" sometime during the Winter of 2002/2003.  Then when we moved back to the States I returned to school to go into the health field.  I'm at Illinois Institute of Technology, though I've had to take a few semesters off to make more money.  When I get back into it I'll have around 2 or 3 semesters to finish up, depending if I stay with Cell & Tissue or go into Neuro (neuro tract requires more Electrical Engineering and Neuro course work).

Best wishes,

John

Peace_2_All
Peace_2_All

@JohnMohan @Peace_2_All 

@JohnMohan ---- Hi John! .... Sorry for the delay in responding to you, I've been having a bit of overwhelm.

Anyway, here we go....

First, as for anyone's *moniker* or *UserID* as you called it.  Normally, I wouldn't even comment on that as I've made over thousands of postings on multiple blogs, and maybe 3 people(including you now) over the years have asked what you asked.  And... normally I would just blow them off on the topic, and I'll explain why for you,  however, you do seem to be a decent guy, so I'll take the time and answer you on a couple of different levels concerning monikers, and mine in particular.

O.K... so, *monikers*.  Let's start with the world of 'debate' in general.  It is commonly known and understood in 'debate' that when someone typically tries to attack another's *moniker* that usually means that they are a weak debater, and/or their argument is weak as well.  As far as fallacious arguments, your comment about my moniker is what is known as a "Red Herring," as it has absolutely -0- to do with the conversation that we are having and the topic at hand.  

Second, and more specific, on a personal level... I actually *do* wish you Peace.  Just because I wish you Peace, but (hypothetically) am beating you up in the debate... doesn't mean I don't wish you well... and peace.  Metaphorically speaking it's like 2 MMA fighters, or boxers, etc... who compete, but are often still friends before and after.  The metaphor is fairly accurate here.

So, whether or not I'm hurling insults, as you suggested... doesn't mean I don't wish you well and peace.  Got it?

And... as a side-note, as far as "hurling insults"...  I think you actually started it with the "liberal mindset...etc... and me not understanding 'personal responsibility"... that wasn't accurate... nor very nice, now was it, John?

So, I guess I was being a bit "snarky" with you.... which I also, don't 'usually' do with people.  

O.K... on to the rest of your comment.......

It looks as though we actually do have some area of overlap or agreement on this topic.  We *both* believe that there are circumstances where terminating a pregnancy is warranted and necessary.  It just appears that I believe that the laws concerning allowing a female to terminate her pregnancy... I'm o.k. with.  You want to under *most circumstances* **Force** a girl(who could be 12 -13 for instance) to be **compelled** to **have to** carry a zygote/fetus to term and birth a baby, as I don't.

We could argue, I'm sure all day on that one.  I don't know that we are going to get much farther in this conversation, while we do(which I'm happy about) appear to have some agreement and overlap, there is a lot of space or distance in our personal beliefs about what should be.

I'm certainly willing to listen to anything else you have to say about this topic, and respond, if your not just re-hashing the "you are all murderers" rhetoric.

So, John... you are a Bio-Med Engineer...??? Fascinating... What is your particular area of focus in your work??? And you play the 'trumpet'...?  How cool is that?!  Do you play in a symphony, jazz, blues band??

Regards,

Peace...


JohnMohan
JohnMohan

@Peace_2_All @JohnMohan 

Using the word "Peace" in your text and in your UserID while hurling insults is a bit disingenuous, isn't it?  ("I can sooo see you standing on a soap-box on a street corner with your Bible in hand, shouting from the top of your lungs... "The end is near... repent... Jesus is coming!!!")


If that is really your view of me, then your intuition is a bit lacking.  I do have a bible - I recently came upon it in a box in my basement while looking for something else - it's been in storage since we moved here in 2004.  My training is in science (Biomedical Engineering) and music (I play trumpet), not religion.

Does your view that it's wrong to "force" a woman not to kill their unborn baby extend to murderers and other criminals?  "Circumstances" cause them to do what they do as well. Just sayin'...

Seriously, I believe there are circumstances where EARLY abortion is warranted, and if it can be done safely with a pill, so much the better.  Rape is one of those circumstances, as is the situation where there is a true physical risk to the mother.  But I don't feel that it's morally right to terminate pregnancies (perhaps over and over again) because people choose to have unprotected sex when they "hook up".  Do you?  I'm sure you at least agree with me that any time a baby that is viable outside the womb is "aborted" it is nothing less than murder.

Personally, I am not okay with abortions at any point past where there is a reasonable chance that the fetus is self-aware.  They suck their own thumbs pretty early on...
What I really wish is that we as a society could see the idea of a woman carrying an unwanted pregnancy through and allowing an ADOPTION to happen to be not just socially acceptable, but something to be PROUD of doing.  That's what we should strive for.  There are people out there who desperately want children but can't create there own. Why can't we as a society celebrate LIFE and when a life is created, even unintentionally, why can't that miracle continue and enrich and fulfill the lives of those who will love and nourish that Life?

bojimbo26
bojimbo26

You can only buy Plan B WITH ID .