Women Should Pay More for Health Care

Women's costs are higher, and they live longer, yet Obamacare will charge men the same for health-insurance premiums

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The Obama Administration is about to spend $684 million on a public relations and enrollment campaign to persuade young, uninsured Americans to buy government-approved Obamacare plans.  In order to be successful, it needs to persuade young men in particular to enroll, but Obamacare requires insurers to charge men the same for their premiums as women in 2014.

This attempt at fairness is anything but. If fairness were really the guiding principle, it would be quite simple: women would pay more for health insurance because women consume more health care.

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First, let’s address the obvious. Women carry and deliver babies. Maternity care is expensive, and a rising number of women are taking on these costs without the help of a husband. (Nearly half of American first-child births occur outside of wedlock.)

But childbearing is not the only reason women’s health costs are higher. There are certain non-sex-related ailments that plague women with more frequency.  When I sustained my second significant injury from running this year, I learned that stress fractures are more common among women. This also goes for strains and sprains. Women’s bodies tend to be smaller and more prone to wear and tear.

Yet women also tend to live longer. Life expectancy for American women is 81 years, compared with 76 for men. That’s great news for women who get to enjoy more life, but it’s also five more years of costly doctor’s visits and treatments.  Men have a shorter lifespan, in part because they are three times more likely to die in accidents (13 times more likely to be killed while at work) and three times more likely to be murder victims. Unexpected and sudden deaths are tragic, but they are also cheap compared with deaths due to long-term health conditions.  End-of-life care can be the most expensive kind of health care, and women survive to consume more of it.

Women’s greater attentiveness to their own health likely also contributes to their longevity.  Pregnancy and childbearing aside, women seek preventive care and visit doctors more often.  But these additional screenings cost money, and the person receiving the care should pay for it, not other members of her insurance pool (community-rated or not). After all, women may reap the benefits of this behavior by living longer lives; they should also take on the costs.

People are uncomfortable in acknowledging sex differences in health care costs, but they should recognize that those same differences crop up in other markets too.  It’s not discussed as frequently, but sometimes men are the ones paying more for certain purchases, like car insurance. Would it be fair to charge women more for it just to give men a discount?

A better, more equitable solution would be for both men and women to pay for more noncatastrophic health expenditures outside an insurance plan. This is the only way to ensure that individuals — not pools of people — pay for what they consume. But given our current environment that encourages third-party payment, gender-based pricing is a tool that should be available to insurers. If our premiums don’t reflect our risk, our claims or our costs, then some people will be overcharged and others undercharged. The overcharged parties will underinsure, and the undercharged parties will overinsure, perpetuating the problems in our current system.

426 comments
ramm
ramm

Hadley:

That is a pathetic argument considering the other environmental factors that go against women, not only do they bear children, but they make less money no matter what the job, they bear the most mental anguish, and have to live in a patriarchal oppressive society that vides 'equal' tights as impugning an already greatly oppressed gender in any outlet that cracks open, healthcare? Being a woman an promoting this by the numbers game tells me you are one, an idiot, two a sheeple idiot, and three have no real view of the social contract and the utilitarian approach sometimes means latitude for those who are different. A smoker chooses to smoke,  fat people overeat, but women don't choose their gender dit dot.  

Women
Women

Hi, For years men have been paid almost double what women are paid for the same job, so if its equal health care costs between men and women then maybe it will give women a chance to financially catch up.


ElinaMark
ElinaMark

A woman's health is her total well-being, not determined solely by biological factors and reproduction, but also by effects of work load, nutrition, stress, war and migration, among others?

Women's health issues have attained higher international visibility and renewed political commitment in recent decades. While targeted policies and programs have enabled women to lead healthier lives, significant gender-based health disparities remain in many countries. With limited access to education or employment, high illiteracy rates and increasing poverty levels are making health improvements for women exceedingly difficult.

lehman.heather
lehman.heather

Can I just ask why using the healthcare system on a reactionary basis or for catastrophic coverage is considered good economics and using healthcare as preventative medicine is bad? For a myriad of reasons, men use healthcare only if something is really wrong - and a screening would have prevented it from being catastrophic! Also, generally, men will forego medical treatment if they cannot pay....which leads us to again examine what the point of healthcare really is. Is it a luxury for the rich? Hmmm, so many things wrong with this brief article that I wonder how Hadley Heath got to be a senior analyst at all.

ajdoes
ajdoes

@Bumpyboobs @TIMEIdeas - I read a title like this and have to ignore the article because I know I will only become enraged.

francois.nguyenc
francois.nguyenc

If I would play into this argument, I could just as easily argue that men take more stupid risks in general, are over represented in physically hazardous employments, and are less health conscious (they see the doctors less, but when they do, it's far more costly). We should decrease cost per use, to encourage use and therefore have a more preventative health care system. If we have a system that negatively targets groups who uses health care more by making them pay for it, then it only encourages a reactive health care system and THAT is a greater cost on society. This doesn't even touch on the argument that I find the suggestion morally wrong the begin with.

TheresaBurleyHughes
TheresaBurleyHughes

There are other groups of people who are disproportionately in need of more healthcare, such as those who live below the poverty line, non-whites, and those with lower levels of education. 

Should we be charging these people more as well? 

People who already suffer negative health outcomes due to marginalization, should we marginalize them further?

As someone who studies and researches health, I cannot even begin to understand how any intelligent person would think charging women higher insurance premiums is a good idea. 

I think @Time has sunk to being controversial strictly for the sake of being controversial. Look how much attention this article is getting. Readership might be up in the short term, but @Time has lost some credibility in my eyes.

MarionArthurKiss
MarionArthurKiss

what a terrible argument.   Are we in this together or is it every man, woman and child for themselves.  Good lord, she makes it sound like we've closed the wage gap and old women aren't at the greatest risk for poverty partly due to their end of life expenses.  Good job.  Let's charge them even more. 
Give me a break!


BekiGLantos
BekiGLantos

First, "Women carry and deliver babies." Ummmm, last time I checked, those babies don't get there because women wake up one day and say 'I think I want to have a baby'. They are conceived by two people - a man and a woman. When did this world become a place where a man only has claim or responsibility for a child when they put a ring on the mother's finger!?

Second, "Women's bodies tend to be smaller and more prone to wear and tear." and so we should pay more for that? It's not our fault we're genetically predisposed to smaller, more fragile bodies, according to this article.

Third, I don't think it wise to penalize women financially because they are more attentive to their health than men.

I'm sorry, but this article and view is completely bogus. I do not live in the US and therefore cannot comment on the health system or give any recommendations on what needs to be done to improve or better it, but I can tell you that this view is not a start. I honestly read it, waiting for something at the bottom to tell me it was a joke. It saddened and disgusted when I realized it was a real opinion. But, we're all entitled to our opinions, aren't we...so, I've just shared mine.

Chocolateforever
Chocolateforever

How did this article even make it to print?  Poorly thought out.  Women have babies and live longer so should pay more in premiums.  As one commenter (or more) stated, by virtue of living longer (on average) they are already paying more in premiums.  As to the babies aspect - last time I checked there were still men involved in that.   

Women seek preventative care, which uses the system, which costs money.  Yes....and by not seeking preventative care and then having serious illnesses because one let things go too long - that doesn't cost the system as much?  

Then she goes on to say that men are more likely to die in accidents, etc.  What about the ones that don't die and have costly health care because of their injuries.  Using her logic and her stats,  13x more likely to die in accidents could translate to 13x more likely to be injured in said accidents and therefore require 13x more in medical care.  Therefore, to extend the silliness even further, men should be paying 13x more in medical insurance premiums.   

As annie@time said - "This article is headless".

annie@time
annie@time

Last time I heard, men are involved in most pregnancy so the costs should be equally paid. 

And if men are to die 3 times as much as women in car accidents, how many are injured (slightly to heavily) and thus "cost" "more" to insurances? Same goes for "13 times more likely to be killed while at work", agreed it is from another pocket but it still costs a lot (life insurance ) to insurance companies.

This article is headless.

ummm...yeah
ummm...yeah

Assuming that the statistics do support Heather's assertion that women, as a general population, are more likely to use the healthcare system at a higher rate than men. What she fails to mention is the following: 

1) Women live longer and will therefore, as a group, inherently pay more into the insurance system in the longer term.

2) Women's health issues are not as well researched, documented or as easily identifiable as that of men's health issues. For example: The symptoms of a heart attack on a man is much more easier to identify than it is for his female counterpart. It seems that women would be asked to pay more because the healthcare system is inherently better equipped to treat a male rather than a female having the same illness. Should a woman therefore have to pay more if the treatment is not comparable to that of a male? It seems that women would have to pay more due to a failure of preventative and personalized care, whereas her male counterpart would pay less when the root cause of an ailment is easier to diagnose.

@Hadley Heath, using this logic I suppose that you would then agree that due to the downturn of the print media, journalists should pay more in Social Security from their paychecks since they are more likely to be unemployed.

SidSmith
SidSmith

I guess what I'm saying is that we should be getting angry about the real issue, which is that under the current system, insurance companies rely on forcing those who need care the most to lose access to it. It is easy to be cavalier about this when you're 23 or 25, like this author is. But one of the follies of youth is that so many toil under the delusion that they will stay 25 and in perfect health forever, as will their closest friends and loved ones. Medical bills are the largest single cause of bankruptcy and financial ruin in the US today, and most bankruptcies are incurred by people who BOUGHT insurance. This is wasteful and disgraceful, and it is also eviscerating our country's financial stability. 

SidSmith
SidSmith

It's a shame this writer hasn't done her research, because if she had, she'd have discovered that MEN are charged more than women for health insurance during the second half of their lives. And, just as women are burdened by exorbitant fees to access insurance – which is not the same as care – when they are statistically likeliest to be poor (motherhood is highly correlated to poverty), men become burdened by those fees when they are most likely to lose their jobs due to age and most likely to need to pay out the nose for a high likelihood of aging-related cardiopulmonary and cardiovascular disease. The system hurts men and women equally, at different points along the American lifespan. 

JBG
JBG

"Discrimination against men"...boo-hoo, cry me a river!

JBG
JBG

Are you for real! Once there is pay equality between men and women, then let us know your ill-informed point of view. Can I also point out Hadley, whilst there are more men than women being murdered, they are being murdered at the hands of men. Once you get some life experience, then I'd be glad to hear what you have to say. Until then, you should think about an alternate career!

tkulaga
tkulaga

I think the over the counter morning after pill will resolve some of the women birthing costs. I hope they come up with a morning before pill for men.

ForgottenTopics
ForgottenTopics

@TIME Another ignoramus who chooses 2 burden women further 4 being born female. Like we can control that. Block 4 stupidity. @HadleyHeath

MarkMoko
MarkMoko

Isn't the whole point of insurance to spread the risk? The general principle behind this is that we, as society, all put our money into a pool that you then access when you fall sick. The idea is to spread the risk and make it more affordable for the individual to deal with a health issue. By the nature of people and their health issues, this means that some people will not use the pool as much as others. To argue that we should charge some people more based on their behavior/health is to completely invalidate the principle behind the law. 

NMSOL
NMSOL

This article contradicts itself.  Either pay should be individualized ("This is the only way to ensure that individuals – not pools of people – pay for what they consume") or the unfairness continues.  I am a 30 year old woman and do not intend to ever have children, I am healthy, have no sports injuries and rarely visit the doctor.  Why should I pay more for those women who breed, get injured and are hypochondriacs? I think individualized care/payment is an incentive for people to stay healthy.  If I take care of myself, eat healthily and don't put my body through childbirth, I should pay a fraction of those who make different choices.



icepuck68
icepuck68

@ramm  

First ramm, do some research, women don't get paid less like the rumor that's been going around says. That rumor doesn't compare jobs to jobs, experience to experience, hours to  hours etc..................they simply take a survey of what everybody makes. Comparing a teacher to a pilot or secretary to an engineer doesn't quite work.

Second, men pay more in life insurance and car insurance for reasons. Women should do the same in health insurance. 

TakingUpSpace
TakingUpSpace

@ramm

Re: "have to live in a patriarchal oppressive society that vides 'equal' tights as impugning an already greatly oppressed gender in any outlet that cracks open"

Wrong. Women as a group outlive men, who die sooner than women of the 13 leading causes of death.

Please be sitting down when you read:

“The Doctrinaire Institute for Women's Policy Research: A Comprehensive Look at Gender Equality”

http://malemattersusa.wordpress.com/2012/02/16/the-doctrinaire-institute-for-womens-policy-research/

TakingUpSpace
TakingUpSpace

@ramm

Re: "they bear the most mental anguish"

Wrong. The male suicide rate is about four times that of the female. And how do YOU measure anguish? 


TakingUpSpace
TakingUpSpace

@ramm

Re: "but they make less money no matter what the job"

Wrong.

“In 2011, 22% of male physicians and 44% of female physicians worked less than full time, up from 7% of men and 29% of women from Cejka’s 2005 survey.” ama-assn.org/amednews/2012/03/26/bil10326.htm

That's just one of countless examples showing that some of the most sophisticated women in the country choose to earn less while getting paid at the same rate as their male counterparts.

A thousand laws won't close that gap.

In fact, no law yet has closed the gender wage gap — not the 1963 Equal Pay for Equal Work Act, not Title VII of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, not the 1978 Pregnancy Discrimination Act, not affirmative action (which has benefited mostly white women, the group most vocal about the wage gap - tinyurl.com/74cooen), not the 1991 amendments to Title VII, not the 1991 Glass Ceiling Commission created by the Civil Rights Act, not the 1993 Family and Medical Leave Act, not diversity, not the countless state and local laws and regulations, not the thousands of company mentors for women, not the horde of overseers at the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, and not the Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, which is another feel-good bill that turned into another do-nothing law (good intentions do not necessarily make things better; sometimes, the path to a worse condition is paved with good intentions).... Nor will a "paycheck fairness" law work. 

That's because women's pay-equity advocates, who always insist one more law is needed, continue to overlook the effects of female AND male behavior:

Despite the 40-year-old demand for women's equal pay, millions of wives still choose to have no pay at all. In fact, according to Dr. Scott Haltzman, author of "The Secrets of Happily Married Women," stay-at-home wives, including the childless who represent an estimated 10 percent, constitute a growing niche. "In the past few years,” he says in a CNN report at tinyurl.com/6reowj, “many women who are well educated and trained for career tracks have decided instead to stay at home.” (“Census Bureau data show that 5.6 million mothers stayed home with their children in 2005, about 1.2 million more than did so a decade earlier....” at tinyurl.com/qqkaka. If indeed a higher percentage of women is staying at home, perhaps it's because feminists and the media have told women for years that female workers are paid less than men in the same jobs — so why bother working if they're going to be penalized and humiliated for being a woman.) 

As full-time mothers or homemakers, stay-at-home wives earn zero. How can they afford to do this while in many cases living in luxury? Answer: Because they're supported by their husband, an “employer” who pays them to stay at home. (Far more wives are supported by a spouse than are husbands.)

The implication of this is probably obvious to most 12-year-olds but seems incomprehensible to, or is wrongly dismissed as irrelevant by, feminists and the liberal media: If millions of wives are able to accept NO wages, millions of other wives, whose husbands' incomes vary, are more often able than husbands to:

-accept low wages

-refuse overtime and promotions

-choose jobs based on interest first, wages second — the reverse of what men tend to do (The most popular job for American women as of 2010 is still secretary/administrative assistant, which has been a top ten job for women for the last 50 years. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/11/gender-wage-gap_n_3424084.html

-take more unpaid days off

-avoid uncomfortable wage-bargaining (tinyurl.com/3a5nlay)

-work fewer hours than their male counterparts, or work less than full-time instead of full-time (as in the above example regarding physicians)

Any one of these job choices lowers women's median pay relative to men's. And when a wife makes one of the choices, her husband often must take up the slack, thereby increasing HIS pay. 

Women who make these choices are generally able to do so because they are supported — or, if unmarried, anticipate being supported — by a husband who feels pressured to earn more than if he'd chosen never to marry. (Married men earn more than single men, but even many men who shun marriage, unlike their female counterparts, feel their self worth is tied to their net worth.) This is how MEN help create the wage gap: as a group they tend more than women to pass up jobs that interest them for ones that pay well. 

More in "Will the Ledbetter Act Help Women?" at http://malemattersusa.wordpress.com/2011/12/03/will-the-ledbetter-fair-pay-act-help-women/



icepuck68
icepuck68

@Women  

wrong

 If you think this is equal, then you pay the same in life and car insurance. Sound ok?

TakingUpSpace
TakingUpSpace

@Women

Re: "For years men have been paid almost double what women are paid for the same job"

That's a lie and you know it.

I repeat:

Probably most women's pay-equity advocates think employers are greedy profiteers who'd hire only illegal immigrants for their lower labor cost if they could get away with it. Or move their business to a cheap-labor country to save money. Or replace older workers with younger ones for the same reason. So why do these same advocates think employers would NOT hire only women if, as they say, employers DO get away with paying females at a lower rate than males for the same work?

Here's one of countless examples showing that some of the most sophisticated women in the country choose to earn less while getting paid at the same rate as their male counterparts:

“In 2011, 22% of male physicians and 44% of female physicians worked less than full time, up from 7% of men and 29% of women from Cejka’s 2005 survey.” ama-assn.org/amednews/2012/03/26/bil10326.htm (See also  http://www.openmarket.org/2013/06/19/president-repeats-false-equal-pay-statistic-claiming-women-earn-77-percent-of-what-men-do/)

A thousand laws won't close that gap.

In fact, no law yet has closed the gender wage gap — not the 1963 Equal Pay for Equal Work Act, not Title VII of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, not the 1978 Pregnancy Discrimination Act, not affirmative action (which has benefited mostly white women, the group most vocal about the wage gap - tinyurl.com/74cooen), not the 1991 amendments to Title VII, not the 1991 Glass Ceiling Commission created by the Civil Rights Act, not the 1993 Family and Medical Leave Act, not diversity, not the countless state and local laws and regulations, not the thousands of company mentors for women, not the horde of overseers at the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, and not the Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, which is another feel-good bill that turned into another do-nothing law (good intentions do not necessarily make things better; sometimes, the path to a worse condition is paved with good intentions).... Nor will a "paycheck fairness" law work. 

That's because women's pay-equity advocates, who always insist one more law is needed, continue to overlook the effects of female AND male behavior:

Despite the 40-year-old demand for women's equal pay, millions of wives still choose to have no pay at all. In fact, according to Dr. Scott Haltzman, author of "The Secrets of Happily Married Women," stay-at-home wives, including the childless who represent an estimated 10 percent, constitute a growing niche. "In the past few years,” he says in a CNN report at tinyurl.com/6reowj, “many women who are well educated and trained for career tracks have decided instead to stay at home.” (“Census Bureau data show that 5.6 million mothers stayed home with their children in 2005, about 1.2 million more than did so a decade earlier....” at tinyurl.com/qqkaka. If indeed a higher percentage of women is staying at home, perhaps it's because feminists and the media have told women for years that female workers are paid less than men in the same jobs — so why bother working if they're going to be penalized and humiliated for being a woman.) 

As full-time mothers or homemakers, stay-at-home wives earn zero. How can they afford to do this while in many cases living in luxury? Answer: Because they're supported by their husband, an “employer” who pays them to stay at home. (Far more wives are supported by a spouse than are husbands.)

The implication of this is probably obvious to most 12-year-olds but seems incomprehensible to, or is wrongly dismissed as irrelevant by, feminists and the liberal media: If millions of wives are able to accept NO wages, millions of other wives, whose husbands' incomes vary, are more often able than husbands to:

-accept low wages

-refuse overtime and promotions

-choose jobs based on interest first, wages second — the reverse of what men tend to do (The most popular job for American women as of 2010 is still secretary/administrative assistant, which has been a top ten job for women for the last 50 years. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/11/gender-wage-gap_n_3424084.html

-take more unpaid days off

-avoid uncomfortable wage-bargaining (tinyurl.com/3a5nlay)

-work fewer hours than their male counterparts, or work less than full-time instead of full-time (as in the above example regarding physicians)

Any one of these job choices lowers women's median pay relative to men's. And when a wife makes one of the choices, her husband often must take up the slack, thereby increasing HIS pay. 

Women who make these choices are generally able to do so because they are supported — or, if unmarried, anticipate being supported — by a husband who feels pressured to earn more than if he'd chosen never to marry. (Married men earn more than single men, but even many men who shun marriage, unlike their female counterparts, feel their self worth is tied to their net worth.) This is how MEN help create the wage gap: as a group they tend more than women to pass up jobs that interest them for ones that pay well. 

More in "Will the Ledbetter Act Help Women?" at http://malemattersusa.wordpress.com/2011/12/03/will-the-ledbetter-fair-pay-act-help-women/


ramm
ramm

@Ummon You are not an 'equal' to anything female, so your 'opinion' is moot, shut up, moving on.

TakingUpSpace
TakingUpSpace

@TheresaBurleyHughes

Re: "I cannot even begin to understand how any intelligent person would think charging women higher insurance premiums is a good idea."

Then you agree that men should not be charged higher auto insurance premiums.

TakingUpSpace
TakingUpSpace

@MarionArthurKiss

Re: "she makes it sound like we've closed the wage gap and old women aren't at the greatest risk for poverty partly due to their end of life expenses."

As a group, women control most of the consumer wealth in the U.S. Soon they will control much more.

"Over the next decade, women will control two thirds of consumer wealth in the United States and be the beneficiaries of the largest transference of wealth in our country’s history. Estimates range from $12 to $40 trillion. Many Boomer women will experience a double inheritance windfall, from both parents and husband. The Boomer woman is a consumer that luxury brands want to resonate with."

http://www.she-conomy.com/facts-on-women

As for the gender wage gap, I know you won't read this:

“The Doctrinaire Institute for Women's Policy Research: A Comprehensive Look at Gender Equality”

http://malemattersusa.wordpress.com/2012/02/16/the-doctrinaire-institute-for-womens-policy-research/



Badoodlebop
Badoodlebop

@MarionArthurKiss Actually the wage gap has been closed.  For a long time now.  Do your homework on why women choose lower paying positions on average more often than men.  If you're not going to look at the motivation for why men and women tend to make certain career choices, you're not qualified to make that argument.

TakingUpSpace
TakingUpSpace

@BekiGLantos

Re: "I don't think it wise to penalize women financially because they are more attentive to their health than men."

If they are penalized, so are men, who pay more for auto insurance. 

They pay more because the use doctor services more. Being more attentive has absolutely nothing to do with charges. Only use.

TakingUpSpace
TakingUpSpace

@Chocolateforever

Re: "Women have babies and live longer so should pay more in premiums."

You missed it entirely. Women pay more ONLY because they use doctor services more, even discounting reproductive-related visits. 

ramm
ramm

@TakingUpSpace If it did, which it doesn't, it would be the first time in history MEN were discriminated against. Sucks doesn't it?

TakingUpSpace
TakingUpSpace

@JBG Re: "Once there is pay equality between men and women"

You apparently don't realize how astonishingly irrelevant that is. Every doctor and hospital would require a female patient to verify that she makes less than every man in the country. Why do low-income people have to pay the same price as well-off people for food, shelter, movie tickets, ice cream.... You get my drift.

Please be sitting down when you read:

“The Doctrinaire Institute for Women's Policy Research: A Comprehensive Look at Gender Equality” http://malemattersusa.wordpress.com/2012/02/16/the-doctrinaire-institute-for-womens-policy-research/

Re: "whilst there are more men than women being murdered, they are being murdered at the hands of men"

And there are more children abused and killed by their mothers than by their fathers. So your point?

"Open Letter to Senate Judiciary on the VAWA"http://malemattersusa.wordpress.com/2012/02/02/open-letter-to-senate-judiciary-on-the-vawa/

You may be very intelligent, but your feminist ideology makes you say unintelligent things.

tkulaga
tkulaga

@MarkMoko Then why it is insurance costs vary state by state? Why it is insurance costs vary by age groups? Why it is homeowners insurance rates vary by company, by location? And on and on and on.

TakingUpSpace
TakingUpSpace

@NMSOL "I am healthy, have no sports injuries and rarely visit the doctor.  Why should I pay more for those women who breed, get injured and are hypochondriacs?"

Safe-driving men could say the same thing regarding auto insurance premiums.

ajdoes
ajdoes

@Bumpyboobs @TIMEIdeas true, author thinks women should pick up the tab for maternity costs? he must know where babies come from right?

TakingUpSpace
TakingUpSpace

@ramm @TakingUpSpace

Which it does. And it's hardly the first time men have been discriminated against.

You're under the influence of the apex fallacy.

"The apex fallacy is the idea that we use the most visible members of a group to make generalizations about the entire group; i.e., we see prominent men at the top of the pyramid and think all men are doing well, when in fact there are a great many at the bottom of the pyramid, too." 

To the degree that women have not been fully implemented into the world of work, men have not been fully implemented into the world of children. Such enterprises as daycare centers never hire men. And many men decline to apply for the exact same reason women decline to apply at many "male" jobs.


“The Doctrinaire Institute for Women's Policy Research: A Comprehensive Look at Gender Equality” 
http://malemattersusa.wordpress.com/2012/02/16/the-doctrinaire-institute-for-womens-policy-research/

ramm
ramm

@Ummon @JBG Ummon: That is just in your case, sweetie. A lot of men and women earn more than minimum wage.

ramm
ramm

@TakingUpSpace @JBG As opposed to your utterly irrelevant and moronic comment, Taking up space [your name is apros pros] The whole premise of this authors article is fallible and unresearched, so in effect, who cares, she or it is wrong.

TakingUpSpace
TakingUpSpace

@ramm @TakingUpSpace @JBG

I have long had a saying:

I cannot make one understand what one does not want to understand -- or is afraid to  -- for political and ideological reasons.

When people attack me personally instead of presenting a reasoned disagreement about what they specifically argue against, they signal they have nothing to add and can't admit they concede the argument.

Insults and outrage are not arguments. They are desperate cries.

One thing's for sure: you wouldn't say my comments are moronic to my face. That makes you a coward.