I’m Still Not Going Back to the Catholic Church

Pope Francis only confirms my decision to leave

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It’s not hard to understand why people are so excited about Pope Francis. Since his sensational interview last week, many have said that with his personal warmth and determination to put doctrine in the background, Francis is just the man to bring a lot of fallen-away Catholics back into the church.

Maybe. But I’m an ex-Catholic whose decision to leave the Catholic Church is not challenged by Francis’ words but rather confirmed.

Just over two decades ago, when I began the process to enter the Roman Catholic Church as an adult convert, I chose to receive instruction at a university parish, figuring that the quality of teaching would be more rigorous. After three months of guided meditations and endless God is love lectures, I dropped out.

I agreed that God is love, but that didn’t tell me what He would expect of me if I became a Catholic. Besides, I had spent four years dancing around the possibility of returning to the Christianity of my youth. When I made my first steps back to churchgoing as an adult, I found plenty of good people who told me God is love but who never challenged me to change my life.

(MORE: Mary Eberstadt: The Pope Is No Radical)

What needed changing? Lots. My own brokenness was plain to me, and I was ready to turn from my destructive sins and become a new person. The one thing I didn’t want to do was surrender my sexual liberty, which was my birthright as a young American male. I knew, though, that without fully giving over my will to God, any conversion would be precarious. By then, I was all too wary of my evasions. To convert provisionally — that is, provided that the Church didn’t hassle me about my sex life — would really be about seeking the psychological comforts of religion without making sacrifices.

What I was told, in effect, in that university Catholic parish was that God loved me just as I was — true — but that I didn’t need to do anything else. It dawned on me one day that at the end of this process, all of us in the class would end up as Catholics but have no idea what the Catholic Church taught. I bolted, and a year later, I was received into the church in another parish.

If you know about the Catholic Church only from reading the papers, you are in for a shock once you come inside. The image of American Catholicism shown by the media is of a church preoccupied with sex and abortion. It’s not remotely true. I was a faithful Mass-going Catholic for 13 years, attending a number of parishes in five cities in different parts of the country. I could count on one hand the number of homilies I heard that addressed abortion or sexuality in any way. Rather, the homilies were wholly therapeutic, almost always some saccharine variation of God is love.

Well, yes, He is, but Sunday School simplicities get you only so far. Classical Catholic theology dwells on the paradox of God’s love and God’s justice. As Dante shows in the Divine Comedy, God’s love is God’s justice poured out on those who reject Him. In the Gospels, Jesus offers compassion to sinners rejected by religious rigorists, but he also tells them to reform their lives, to “go forth and sin no more.”

Was I frustrated because the priests wouldn’t preach God’s judgment instead of God’s mercy? By no means. I was frustrated because they wouldn’t preach God’s judgment at all, which is to say, they preached Christ without the Cross. I knew the depths of the sins from which I was being delivered, and it felt wrong to treat His amazing grace like it was a common courtesy. As the reggae song says, “Everybody wants to get to heaven, but nobody wants to die.”

In his recent book about Anglicanism, Our Church, the English philosopher Roger Scruton says the greatest problem in the modern world is the “loss of the habit of repentance.” Broadly speaking, there seemed to me to be no particular interest in the American Catholic church in repentance, because there was no particular interest in the reality of sin. The stereotypical idea of the Catholic Church as a sin-obsessed, legalistic hothouse surely came from somewhere. But for Catholics like me, born in the late 1960s, this cramped and miserable picture of the church may as well have come from antiquity.

The contemporary era of global Catholicism began in 1959, when the newly elected Pope John XXIII sought to “open the windows” of the fusty old Church to the modern world by calling the Second Vatican Council. Three years later, in his opening address to the council, the charismatic and avuncular pope called for “a new enthusiasm, a new joy and serenity of mind in the unreserved acceptance by all of the entire Christian faith,” without compromising on doctrine. A fierce spirit of the age blasted through those newly-opened windows, scouring nearly everything in its path. The coming decades would see a collapse in Catholic catechesis and Catholic discipline. The so-called “spirit of Vatican II” — a perversion of the Council’s actual teaching — justified many subsequent outrages.

In 2002, when the clerical-sex-abuse scandal broke nationwide, the full extent of the rot within the church became manifest. All that post-Vatican II happy talk and non-judgmentalism had been a facade concealing what then Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger — later Pope Benedict XVI — would call the “filth” in the church. Many American bishops deployed the priceless Christian language of love and forgiveness in an effort to cover their own foul nakedness in a cloak of cheap grace.

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During that excruciating period a decade ago, rage at what I and other journalists uncovered about the church’s corruption pried my ability to believe in Catholic Christianity out of me, like torturers ripping fingernails out with pliers. It wasn’t the crimes that did it as much as the bishops’ unwillingness to repent and the Vatican’s disinterest in holding them to account. If the church’s hierarchy cannot commit itself credibly to justice and mercy to the victims of its own clergy and bishops, I thought, do they really believe in the doctrines they teach?

All this put the moral unseriousness of the American church in a certain light. As the scandal raged, one Ash Wednesday, I attended Mass at my comfortable suburban parish and heard the priest deliver a sermon describing Lent as a time when we should all come to love ourselves more.

If I had to pinpoint a single moment at which I ceased to be a Roman Catholic, it would have been that one. I fought for two more years to hold on, thinking that having the syllogisms from my catechism straight in my head would help me stand firm. But it was useless. By then I was a father, and I did not want to raise my children in a church where sentimentality and self-satisfaction were the point of the Christian life. It wasn’t safe to raise my children in this church, I thought — not because they would be at risk of predators but because the entire ethos of the American church, like the ethos of the decadent post-Christian society in which it lives, is not that we should die to ourselves so that we can live in Christ, as the New Testament demands, but that we should learn to love ourselves more.

Flannery O’Connor, one of my Catholic heroes, famously said, “Push back against the age as hard as it pushes against you. What people don’t realize is how much religion costs. They think faith is a big electric blanket, when of course it is the cross.” American Catholicism was not pushing back against the hostile age at all. Rather, it had become a pushover. God is love was not a proclamation that liberated us captives from our sin and despair but rather a bromide and a platitude that allowed us to believe that and to behave as if our lust, greed, malice and so forth — sins that I struggled with every day — weren’t to be despised and cast out but rather shellacked by a river of treacle.

I finally broke. Losing my Catholic faith was the most painful thing that ever happened to me. Today, as much as I admire Pope Francis and understand the enthusiasm among Catholics for him, his interview makes me realize that the good, if incomplete, work that John Paul II and Benedict XVI did to restore the church after the violence of the revolution stands to be undone. Though I agree with nearly everything the Pope said last week in his interview and cheer inwardly when he chastises rigorist knotheads who would deny the healing medicine of the church to anyone, I fear his merciful words will be received not as love but license. The “spirit of Pope Francis” will replace the “spirit of Vatican II” as the rationalization people will use to ignore the difficult teachings of the faith. If so, this Pope will turn out to be like his predecessor John XXIII: a dear man, but a tragic figure.

(MOREFather James Martin on the Pope’s Interview: ‘We Knew We Had Spiritual Dynamite’)

In his interview, the Pope used a metaphor for the church that is often employed by Eastern Orthodox Christianity: he called it a “field hospital” where the walking wounded can receive treatment. He’s right, but it’s important to discern the nature of the cure on offer. Anesthesia is a kind of medicine that masks pain, but it’s not the kind of medicine that heals the underlying sickness.

There is, of course, no such thing as the perfect church, but in Orthodoxy, which radically resists the moralistic therapeutic deism that characterizes so much American Christianity, I found a soul-healing balance. In my Russian Orthodox country mission parish this past Sunday, the priest preached about love, joy, repentance and forgiveness — in all its dimensions. Addressing parents in the congregation, he exhorted us to be merciful, kind and forgiving toward our children. But he also warned against thinking of love as giving our children what they want as opposed to what they need.

“Giving them what they want may make it easier for us,” he said, “but we must love our children enough to teach them the hard lessons and compel them toward the good.”

True, that. And I cherish this pastor because he loves his people enough to teach us the hard lessons, and to compel us past mediocrity and toward the good. Catholic priests of the same mind and orientation as my Orthodox pastor — and I know many of them — are telling me that the Holy Father, by signaling to his American flock that God is love and the rest doesn’t really matter, just made their mission a lot more difficult. But that is no longer my problem.

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exact0ninja
exact0ninja

I am an adult convert who is about to finish the RCIA program and who has also attended faith formation in my Parish for over a year. I have read everything I possibly could about conversion, the classes you take, and different peoples experiences with how they left feeling. To sum it up, there are unfortunate circumstances where the program isn't taught very well and leaves people feeling empty. It even gets to the point where the person teaching is actually teaching the wrong things, which is hard to believe. But it happens. I am not one of the people to experience this because the Deacon at my Parish explains things very well and goes into great detail to explain everything you've mentioned above.

Having said that, I am sure it would leave a bad taste in anyone's mouth had you heard and experienced such things. Especially a convert, one who usually doesn't have a. . . spiritual backbone. . . might I call it. We need guidance and patience.

Here's the good part. No matter how the homily went, or what you are taught directly from any clergy, you should still do your own research. And I don't mean just looking up quotes from people or stuff like that. At any point, when you had these feeling of being disconnected, did you sit down with any of the clergy at your parish and ask questions? Did you go from church to church seeking answers? Because, sometimes we don't hear God's word automatically. We have to go through a little journey to find the meaning. Which means you cannot be lazy about your faith. Because, in all reality, you (at least most) don't just get it overnight. It's an ongoing process that never ends in this life. Nuns, Priests, and even the Pope are constantly reflecting and learning. They have it tough! And we think their restrictions are stringent? 

After having said all this, this is where I see many leave. They don't realize the tools they have and become lazy in their faith. We have wonderful tools to use and the church is so open to you. His word is there. You just need to really open your eyes. 

And of course, regarding this "filth" nonsense surrounding the sex abuse scandals in the church. I will just say one thing. Nothing is safe from Satan. My personal opinion is that he will attempt strike hardest in the Holiest of places. This is where Catholics are called to pray. 

I genuinely hope you come back and try again. And I will pray for you.

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BrianGunderson
BrianGunderson

Whether you leave or come back, or whether you are sincere or not,  doesn't change the fact that it is still the true Church. Bad priests are a punishment by God. We are closing in on the end times for sure where many Priests will lead their people astray with humanism and secularism rather than sound doctrine. I've been fed this flower crap in HIgh School but had a strong foundation to see it plainly. If you live on the hedonistic East coast, I can understand your disgust but there are holy priests out there. You just need to seek them out. I only trust Opus Dei priests but I know there are a few others out there as well. If you were a convert, find a good study bible like the Navarre Bible is a great help. 

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BradO'Donnell
BradO'Donnell

Video:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQVyZ74HmiA


20 million Americans consider themselves to be “lapsed Catholics.” Of course, there are many controversies about the Church, but many leave for other personal reasons. Some leave for persistent negative feelings that can’t be logically expressed.


You’re a good person. You love Christ, but still, you struggle with your ambivalence about the Church. Of course the Methodists and Episcopalians are eager to throw you a lifeline, but you’re not sure you want to be a Protestant either… What is it? Why do you have these odd feelings about the Church?


You’re not alone. Since 1960, a third of Americans have quit church. What’s happening?


After Vietnam, baby boomers came out of the 60’s educated, defiant and questioning authority. This could not bode well for the age-old patronizing attitude of Roman Christianity.


Before Christ, the ancient world lived in constant fear of their vengeful pagan gods. Christ denounced that fear on the Mount proclaiming that God was a god of love, and that He only asked us to love one another. So original Christianity was a Jewish sect of brotherhood. Rome hated it and executed anyone who professed the faith for three hundred years.

In all that time, original Christianity had no judgment, Satan, hell, Easter or Christmas. These were all pagan traditions added by the Romans after they commandeered the religion and remade it into the “Roman Christianity” of the modern Church. Many boomers have figured out that the church’s hell-fire threats were pagan and not the teaching of Jesus Christ.


Joseph Ratzinger (pope) quit his first seminary because they conceded that there were two separate and opposing Christianities in the second century. One was the Jewish Christianity of Jesus. The other was the Roman gentile Christianity of Paul. They noted that Paul was indifferent to the teaching of Christ, and was the opponent of the religion of love Christ came to announce to the world.


The crisis for the Church is that people are more educated than ever before. Many doubt the Church because of this double standard of Christianity. Is it Christ’s religion of love and brotherhood or the Church’s Roman Christianity of judgment and consequences?


How Spiritual Are We?


“According to the (Parade Magazine) poll, 69% of Americans believe in God, but 50% say they rarely or never attend worship services... What Americans are doing today is separating spirituality from religion, with many people disavowing organized practice altogether... In fact, 24% of respondents put themselves into a whole new category, spiritual, but not religious…”Parade Magazine 10/4/09



According to Episcopal Bishop John Spong, the “Church has always been in the guilt producing, control business and dangled people between an imaginary Heaven and Hell as a control tactic.”


Boomers are spiritual, but don’t like being controlled by the Church. Let’s explore the issues…


Truly, Brad O’Donnell odonbrad@gmail.com wheretonowstpaul.com

Cannonkat
Cannonkat

@BradO'Donnell Why tell all these lies? You know, I went to schools that if you tried to pass off these kinds of lies, the teacher would rightly say you haven't read Sts Ignatios, Clement of Rome, Barnabus, Justin Martyr, Hippolytus, Irenaeus of Lyons, Tertullian, Cyprian, Clement of Alexandria all of whom wrote in the first, second and third centuries, Jew and Gentile and the faith is the same from first to last, from Ignatios, disciple of of the Holy Apostle John all the way though until Benedict XVI! The Faith is exactly the same - the Catholic Faith, which you know NOTHING about, and if you continue to make up sheer fantasies like that (haven't you read any of these Saints or are you just lazy, sitting there in your mommy's basement?) you are most certainly destined to an eternally hot desert summer of +350 degrees and will have deserved every unbearable minute of it!    

Charlie1962
Charlie1962

So these people who leave the church all of the sudden don't believe in Communion?

antodav
antodav

This article expresses exactly why I left the Catholic Church. Although the author went Orthodox, and I went LDS, the problem we both identified in Catholicism is essentially the same: it isn't too conservative; it's too LIBERAL. And if I hadn't ceased to be Catholic 4 years ago Pope Francis certainly would have done it for me by now. The man openly embraces doctrines that previously had been considered heresies. There's simply no excuse for that, and it makes it blatantly obvious (to me anyway) that the Catholic claim of papal infallibility is false and that there is no direct and unbroken line of apostolic succession going back through the popes to Peter (which historical fact also refutes too).

My faith in Jesus Christ and his teachings is simply too strong for me to simultaneously have faith in the Vatican and what it preaches. The two are not congruent, and one or the other has to be false. I chose the latter.

RenegadesHang
RenegadesHang

@antodav I was raised LDS but recently discovered that it is not what it claims to be. The LDS church is going through the greatest apostasy it has ever had thanks to the internet. If you want the fastest way to understand the problems with the LDS church, read Jeremy Runnell's "Letter to a CES Director.":


A native of Southern California, Jeremy Runnells was born in the covenant. A 6th generation Mormon of Pioneer heritage, Jeremy reached every Mormon youth milestone. An Eagle Scout, Returned Missionary, and BYU Alumnus, Jeremy was married in the San Diego Temple with expectations and plans of living Mormonism for the rest of his life. 


In February 2012, Jeremy experienced a crisis of faith, which subsequently led to a faith transition in the summer of 2012. In the spring of 2013, Jeremy was approached and asked by a CES Director to share his concerns and questions about the LDS Church's origins, history, and current practices. In response, Jeremy wrote what later became publicly known as Letter to a CES Director. 


Letter to a CES Director very quickly went viral on the internet. The CES Director responded that he read the "very well written" letter and that he would provide Jeremy with a response. No response ever came. Here is the Letter: http://cesletter.com/ 


In the fall of 2013, LDS apologetic group FairMormon publicly released an analysis of the Letter: http://en.fairmormon.org/Criticism_of_Mormonism/Online_documents/Letter_to_a_CES_Director 


If one assumes that FAIR's undisputed silence is acceptance of the facts, FAIR agrees with 79% of Letter to a CES Director. Breakdown can be found here: http://www.cesletter.com/debunking-fairmormon/donuts-breakdowns.html#cesletter 


In response, Jeremy has now released Debunking FAIR's Debunking. http://www.cesletter.com/debunking-fairmormon/ 


As Jeremy writes: "After I wrote Letter to a CES Director, I made the personal decision to move on with my life. Unfortunately, FAIR’s 'analysis' of the CES Letter, which include obfuscations, strawmen, ad hominem attacks, and even outright lies/omissions forced me to come 'back into the ring' to write Debunking FAIR’s Debunking. This was a huge project that I really did not want to undertake nor would I have undertaken had FAIR not been so outrageous in some of their responses and claims."

JenniferRose2
JenniferRose2

@antodav I disagree but that is just my opinion.  I like Pope Francis because he is more liberal. He has already change the law on Eastern Catholic Priests being allowed to marry and have children.  I am waiting for the day that Roman Catholic Priests are allowed to do the same. I say this because my father (who is still married with 4 children, me being number 2) is a married ordained Roman Catholic Priest in Ontario Canada. So I disagree with the Catholic Church being too Liberal. They're not liberal enough. 

Fe116
Fe116

Your article does not specify whether youre still Christian? If you follow Christ, He would teach you never to say, But that is no longer my problem." He PROMOTES activism within the faith. Why do you use your voice to listen to yourself speak so eloquently complaining about the RCC but not DOING anything about it? Have you? Why not speak about that? Do something. Let us stop complaining. The RCC is beautiful. The corrupted are not. We are here to change that. <3 BLESSINGS. XOXO

antodav
antodav

It does say whether or not he is still Christian. It says that he joined the Russian Orthodox Church. Read it again.

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caster on net that claimed he can help me out.He helped me cast a very 
strong spell that helped change his parents mind and i noticed also that my 
man love for me has greatly increased.We are happily married now 
.People with similar problems can contact the spell caster on 
okuntemple@gmail.com

ThomasDavies
ThomasDavies

My name is audrey, I almost took my life because of my ex who left me and stop picking my calls. He said do not trust me anymore, I tried to convince him, but he will not believe me until we had a fight and broke up for 8months, after then I realize I can not live without him because of the love I have for him. I tried everything possible to get him back, but non worked for me, some fake spell casters scammed me and went away with my money until I came across this man called DR Agbadi, he cast a spell for me and behold my ex came back after three days, begging me for forgiveness, I was so surprised that spell caster like Dr Agbadi still exist. If anyone here needs some help, with all sincerity, contact Dr Agbadi SPELL via his email: dragbadilaguspelltemple@gmail.com.

ThomasDavies
ThomasDavies

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AqibJaved
AqibJaved

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RodaRodaAltina
RodaRodaAltina

I never really believed in any of these things but when I was losing Mark, I needed help and somewhere to turn badly. Visit: reunitingexspell@gmail.com and i ordered a LOVE SPELL. 2 days later, my phone rang. Mark was his old self again and wanted to come back to me! Not only come back, the spell caster opened him up to how much I loved and needed him. Spell Casting isn't brainwashing, but they opened his eyes to how much we have to share together. I recommend anyone who is in my old situation to try it. It will bring you a wonderful surprises as well as your lover back to you. The way things were meant to be." if you need any help to get your ex lover back or husband, you can contact the spell caster on-- reunitingexspell@gmail.com he's very nice and great........... RE_UNITING EX SPELL IS REALLY GOOD,REUNITE YOUR LOVE BACK WHIT THE HELP OF DR.MAGBU

Roda Altina